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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

As for how you contradicted yourself, you said "if the threat isn't listened to then they act on it", then went on to claim a threat that has to be followed-through on is worthless. On the contrary, a threat that has been known all-along is rendered moot when you spell it out long after the time for it is past.

That's not a contradiction. If you have to follow through on your threat then it failed to achieve its goal. Usually it's not a desired outcome. It doesn't gain you a thing. It still needs to be done though or your threats will be ignored.

Its the threat you have to verbalize that's worthless.

It depends on the context, but usually no. There needs to be clear boundaries where the threat becomes acted upon for it to be effective most of the time.

its a threat made-up on the spot that's easilly invalidated in so, so many ways.

This is exactly my point. This threat was just made up. It can't be used retroactively. That's not how things work. They need to set boundaries, then execute it if the lines are crossed. If you set boundaries that have already been crossed then what are you trying to gain?

[–] MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 14 hours ago

You think the boundaries weren't spelled out? I mean, we all know "international law" is a joke 1st world countries ignore versus their own actions and the rest of the world, but versus eachother? "Don't fuck with us and we won't fuck with you" is stupidly over-defined.

The same for the financial enmeshment that sees this threat well-inside the realm of potential reality. Europe never promised not to sell these debts. The fact the US can't complain about it if they do is part of what makes it a good threat. Are you not familiar with "soft power", like, at all?