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So I think it's becoming clear that wrt solar, batteries,EVs etc, we're witnessing the dawning of full-scale industrial revolution in China, and I'm interested what people think the impact of this will be? Seems undeniable to me at this point that the disruption is going to be at least comparable in scale to the internet, but what form will it take? Who will be the winners and losers? Effort posts encouraged!

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[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

For solar PV especially, it was a dream from decades ago that finally seems to be coming true, getting progressively better at power generation as the technology improves on itself.

In the bigger picture, it still has its limitations, though. We still need to mine for PV and battery ingredients, and that traps us in a paradigm where no matter how good it gets at the point of use, the embodied energy of production is going to escalate as mineral resources increase in scarcity.

What's worse is that instead of displacing fossil fuel consumption, we end up having a layer of renewables on top of the same amount of fossil fuels. Part of this is because of the requirements to maintain a base level of grid electricity generation, and part of this is simply the perpetual incentive to consume more. Sure, we'll see the fall of the petrodollar in the next 20 years, but then what? We'll still be trying to squeeze modern life out of a burning and increasingly polluted world.

It's possible, especially now, to imagine a world (or at least a lot of small replicable parts of a world) where there is an adequate quality of life that includes computers and modern medicine, but does not meet the needs of the present at the expense of the needs of the future by exhausting finite resources. Unfortunately, our civilizational trajectory has been resolutely pointed in the opposite direction for at least 400 years, since the advent of capitalism or possibly even earlier.

An adaptive approach would be to redesign our society to reduce all waste to a point where our new consumption is trivial. That means doing away with the arbitrary distancing we put between everything (mandatory minimum density), it means preventing some of the redundancy of private ownership, it means going most places on a bike and riding a train a couple times a year for travel, it means getting most of our heat energy from wood/biomass, it means building with clastic and/or organic materials in a way that will last centuries, it means eating less than 50 kg of animal products per person per year (or ideally 0), it means only manufacturing things that can be composted or recycled, it means maybe 100W of residential electricity consumption per person. In other words, it means making everything labor-intensive and localized again, annihilating most global markets and de-alienating virtually all labor. We could use our high-tech green energy resources within the scope of our mineral resources, in a way that resource depletion happens on a scale of geologic eons, instead of decades.

The material technology is not going to save us from problems that require social technology to solve. Not just capitalism, but our very civilization is on its last legs. Our challenge is to create an alternative before it implodes.

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

it means maybe 100W of residential electricity consumption per person

Lighting: 2W
Heating: 5W
Cooking: 3W
Gaming Computer: 90W

Please help me budget this. My family is dying

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Heating and cooking can be done with masonry ovens and rocket mass stoves. If you combine the principles of chest freezers and root cellars, you can cut refrigeration energy by 90% or more. Geothermal climate control is basically 2 fans at the ends of a 60-foot tube that's 6 feet underground, gives you air that's basically the annual climate average all year round. If you use only the lighting you need, and have LED bulbs that are super cheap nowadays, you can get by with 20 Wh each hour from sundown to about midnight.

So yeah 90% on a computer is exactly what it would be for someone like me.

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No you were supposed to say "Spend less on computer" and I'd say "no"

spoilerThat's neat info, I love the application of engineering to environmentally conscious ends heart-sickle

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 2 points 5 days ago

rage-cry Nooooooo! You can't just use more computing power than an arduino nooooooo!

[–] juniper@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

In summary: it's a fight against entropy, and we are losing horribly.

Thanks for the effort post. It's important that more Hexbears take a world-systems perspective - capitalism is our primary enemy at present, but the future isn't as easy as slapping a few solar panels on something and calling it solarpunk. Global industrial civilization's days are numbered, but that's a scary topic to a lot of people and causes a lot of cognitive dissonance.