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I am a Marxist and a materialist. Ideas and beliefs don't arise ex nihilo. They emerge to fit the material reality in which they exist. What are the material realities that lead to carnism? I would argue that there are only two that matter:

  1. "I benefit from objectifying these animals."
  2. "These animals are too weak to stop me from objectifying them."

Boil away the justifications, strip away the decorum, and this is what you get. But what if that person enters a situation where they benefit from objectifying me? What if I'm too weak to stop them? What barrier prevents them from doing so? My intelligence? My capacity for suffering? Their empathy and goodwill? None of that saves cattle, or pigs, or chickens. Why would it save me? I'm not foolish enough to think I'm special.

And look, survival situations are one thing. If you kill and eat an animal because the alternative is starvation, you have decided that the animal's life is worth less than your life. If someone decided that my life was worth less than their life, and a situation came up where they had to act on that decision, I wouldn't begrudge it. I wouldn't like it, I'd fight it, but I wouldn't begrudge it. The thought of someone deciding my life is worth less than their pleasure, though? Turns my blood to fucking ice.

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[–] juniper@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't know what this means but I will interpret it in bad faith and get upset at you for insulting me

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't know what this means but I will interpret it in bad faith and get upset at you for insulting me

hexbear_struggle_session.png /joke

[–] gingerbrat@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I was making a reference to Disco Elysium because your post reminded me of the checks you have to roll in the game

[–] juniper@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ohh yeah thanks for explaining. I figured it was a "critical failure" joke, I just couldn't help myself making a sarcastic meta-comment about our favorite shitposting website. rat-salute-2

[–] gingerbrat@hexbear.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

I feel your struggle comrade, I didn't have anything better than two dice either rat-salute