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don't reform, abolish the police (quokk.au)

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[–] inlandempire@jlai.lu 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It truly seems to be you wanting to exploit the suffering of the enslaved to make your analogy

Yeah at this point I think we’re beyond argumentation if you're just gonna resort to moral vetoing. You’re reading it as moral comparison, and then getting upset about a claim I’m not making.

Historians and abolitionists make these structural comparisons to critique the recurring argumentation used to keep powers in place, that does not make it a moral equivalence. And in turn I’m arguing against the recurring argumentation that an institution is necessary by definition. This is what my first comment was about : when you change just a few words in stoy's comment, you highlight the systemic argumentation to keep the status quo.

Honestly it’s disgusting and insulting to even try to compare these two topics.

Yet many studied the origins of modern day police in relation to slave patrols in the US.

There are necessary things that need to happen that a police force does

I agree that conflict response, harm prevention, and crisis intervention are necessary. That does not logically mean that the police institution as it exists is necessary or inevitable. The necessity of function does not mean the necessity of the existence of whatever institution is appointed to that function. I'm just arguing against it, I feel like I keep repeating myself so let's leave it at that.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

you're just gonna resort to moral vetoing

That's where you started

Yet many studied the origins of modern day police in relation to slave patrols in the US.

I don't even disagree, but that doesn't mean much once again. The invention cotton gin revived slavery in the South. Yet we still use the tool today without slavery.

Anyway that's why I favor completely gutting or even abolishing police. They are fundamentally flawed. I don't care if at the end of the day we have something still called the police, just as long as we change how its used for the benefit of society. Unlikely slavery though, I don't see an overnight dissolution of the police as necessary.

I agree that conflict response, harm prevention, and crisis intervention are necessary. That does not logically mean that the police institution as it exists is necessary or inevitable. The necessity of function does not mean the necessity of the existence of whatever institution is appointed to that function. I'm just arguing against it, I feel like I keep repeating myself so let's leave it at that.

This is what I've been saying.

Also if you decide to move forward you don't need to cite facts, or even cite them 3 deep. It's unnecessary. Everything you've cited is objectively true and I have never had a disagreement with. At least save yourself some time and only cite it 1 source deep.

[–] inlandempire@jlai.lu 1 points 17 hours ago

Yeah I mean we keep arguing on some semantics when we agree on the structural issues at play, we could have saved some time and headache haha