Democrats, mostly. If he'd just received permission in advance (a comically easy feat in this pro-war legislature) he could have straight up leveled Caracas and all we'd be reading in the news are "Why Venezuelans deserved it" Op-Eds.

What matters is that the people of Venezuela did not consent to his imperialistic actions.

I gotta disagree. They're already greeting us as liberators. I've received dozens of AI generated videos of Venezuelans clapping and cheering and waving "Give Trump The Nobel Peace Prize Now" banners over freeways full of cars painted like American flags.

[–] BoJackHorseman@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (3 children)

If another country kidnapped Trump for his rape of minors, because it's illegal in the other country, Americans would be celebrating too. But that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Another country has no rights to interfere in America.

[–] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

I'd argue America has shown it's the one country that other countries do have a right to interfere with. After ~70 years of being the drunken, overconfident, asshole that's ruining the experience for everyone at the bar because we've decided we're the bouncer. On some level we've kinda made ourselves everyone's problem.

It's not a perfect analogy, because in a bar everyone else could just leave, and that's not an option when you're sharing a planet.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If another country kidnapped Trump

It would imply a seismic shift in the military capacity of the United States. We'd be looking at a country whose dozen-odd aircraft carriers and legions of armored cavalry and massive panopticon of intelligence gathering had fully failed to prevent the most high profile security disaster since 9/11.

Americans would be celebrating too

Liberals would be celebrating quietly while they made big frowny faces about the deplorable state of national security publicly. Conservatives would be frothing with rage and threatening to nuke half a dozen major metropolitan areas. JD Vance would be dick deep in a celebratory couch cushion in between photo-ops where he demanded bloody-fisted retribution.

Another country has no rights to interfere in America.

There's no such thing as "rights" with regard to national sovereignty. Only Might Makes Right. The people of the various states can defend themselves and one another via an international commitment to mutual aid. Or nationalist kingpins can build up military fiefs and raid one another's exposed flanks as opportunity presents. But the idea that any given national leadership is above intervention has never been true.

If anything, its the opposite of true. Country leaders appear to have a prerogative to engage one another - diplomatically or militarily - in pursuit of foreign policy aims. Had Venezuelans been as active in bribing and extorting American politicians as the Saudis or the Israelis, I suspect they'd be in a lot better of a position than they are today.

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 days ago

Is there another country that we can pay to do this? Is there another one that we can encourage to do this? Because I'm pretty sure the majority of Americans are all for this.