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[โ€“] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

China isn't socialist though, I'm sick of ~~both tankies and right wingers~~ many pretending that it is.

Edit: being less of a dick about differing opinions.

[โ€“] edible_funk@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Seriously, they do capitalism better than the west.

[โ€“] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

China isn't socialist though

Just to be clear, we're distinguishing between socialism and communism, right?

Communism being the end goal of socialism, which is a stateless, moneyless, classless, borderless society, one that only exists only after the entire world also becomes communist and snuffs out capitalism from every country on the planet.

China has a socialist market economy. Just because it has a market economy doesn't mean that this doesn't make it socialist. The public sector still dominates, as 24 out of the 25 largest corporations are state owned. There are other examples of socialist characteristics that I'm too lazy to post here.

Also, I'm not a tankie. All states are evil, but China is far less imperialistic that the US and Russia.

[โ€“] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

I'm not a tankie

Fair enough, I was being a bit obtuse with this one. Apologies.

China is far less imperialistic that the US and Russia.

Agree. Of the 3 China (at the moment) is the least imperialistic.

Just to be clear, we're distinguishing between socialism and communism, right?

Nope. I mean what I said. The wealth inequality is massive, similar to the US. The work rights are pretty crap, similar to the US (maybe even worse, though I wouldn't want to say that authoritatively)

Having a capitalist market economy is kinda antithetical socialism, no? Well, at least what they currently have, with the excessive wealth people have been allowed to amass, on the backs of the working class who have shared in a much, much smaller fraction of the wealth they have generated.

They have a lot of state owned and run companies, many of which don't have the primary aim only to make a profit (love this), but this doesn't change the fact that the class system is in full swing there, and is permitted by the government.

Pressuring officials and rich people to be less austentatious isn't exactly taking away the power people have due to their excessive wealth.

It's been decades, I think they've let enough people get rich first (though I disagree that this was necessary - the letting people get excessively wealthy part, not the reform in general), it's about time they do SOMETHING to curb wealth inequality (they won't though, because this would cause an uproar from the wealthy, as is the case in other countries)

They don't have a true union movement, all unions must be part of the party. Strikes are done, but very rarely and in spite of the unions, and they are barely tolerated by the authorities. There is very little, if any, difference between how much workers there have a say in their workplace compared to other capitalist countries.

They don't have meaningful power over government policy. That's handed down from on-high from the party elite (yes, with some minor consultation). China is not democratic, and in my view socialism must have workers democracy, by definition, though perhaps some will disagree with this. (But to me saying the word socialism implies rule of the workers, and that is definitely not what is happening in China)

Hope that clears things up about my opinion, and thanks for not responding to my inflammatory comment with more of the same. Sorry for my candor on this one.