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Forgive me because I'm not super familiar but like how would you prove someone is using a VPN? Like isn't the whole idea that it masks where the user is actually from?
I'm afraid this makes me sound like an idiot but I'm genuinely curious
Outside of specific implementations like Tor's snowflake protocol, it's very easy for internet providers to see who's using a VPN, the only thing it buys you is privacy at the other end (so they'll know you're using a VPN, just not know what you're using the VPN to look at, hence why their panties are in a twist).
Other user answered the question accurately. I just wanted to say that asking doesn't make you sound like an idiot. VPN companies intentionally market their products with the purpose of making people believe that they are some magic and untraceable secure system.
the way vpns are used now is not what they were designed for, and they are sold to layman users with promises they can't fullfil.
vpn is virtual private network, and what is does is establishing encrypted connection between two vpn points.
you can now connect to your home network (which may be your company when you are on home office, or it may be your department of foreign affairs if you are your country's embassy halfway around the world) using the vpn server, who authenticates you as a user and establishes encrypted connection to traverse the unsecure network.
it increases security in two main ways: the admin of the networks does not have to accept incoming connections from the whole internet, which reduces number of ways to attack the network.
the traffic going over the public internet and servers you have no control over is now encrypted and can`t be hijacked in the middle.
and it hides the route and traffic between
(B)and(C). for everyone in(A), your traffic seems to look coming from(B), they don`t know what is behind it.now using some public vpn service may help you pretend you are in another country (because the provider will provide you with server in that country, and no one sees the route between you and the server.
so you can now convince twitter you are black soccer mom in texas supporting trump, when you are actually gru officer in moscow.
but it is oversold to people as some super secure solution and people think it is more secure than it is. your traffic can no longer be intercepted between you and the vpn server, but can be intercepted anywhere behind it.
if you think you are some enemy of the state, it is actually much less secure. "the enemy" now have limited number of chokepoints where they can try to intercept the traffic, and doesn't have to intercept all its little enemies independently. it is like if people voluntarily joined the line for some police checkpoint.
there are even conspiracy theories that some vpn providers and tor nodes may be directly operated by "the enemy" instead and if your data are really valuable (you are not a teenager trying to get to netflix, but you are say disident or journalist in some dictatorship country) then using tor, or vpn generally, may put target on your back - hey, these are data that are more likely to contain something interesting and may be worth monitoring.
long story short, vpn is designed to traverse unsecure public internet and connect you to some trusted network. the connection is allowed only to identified users and is encrypted and secure.
using it to connect to unsecure internet helps you
and to asnwer your original question, if you operate your own vpn server at the remote location, no one will know. but if you use some public service for 5$/month, these and their servers are of course known.
One security/privacy feature touted by some companies is that they keep no logs and no records. Some even claim that their entire system runs in volatile memory so there is no possibility of data being recorded. Of course, you are trusting that they are both telling the truth and competently executing the system.
that is the thing, you have to trust them. unless they are intentionally malicious actor and if the law of country where they resides allows it, then not keeping the logs is quite hassle-free and actually cheaper than otherwise, so there is a reason to trust them, but you never know.
That's the thing with anything cybersecurity is trust. Unless you wrote all of the firmware and software and websites and webservers yourself you are ultimately placing trust in another entity.
VPNs are just a technical means of shifting trust. Corporations use VPNs for remote work because the VPN connects the employee to the corporate network which they already trust, rather than trusting whatever wifi the employee happens to connect to. For a consumer using a commercial VPN the only thing you're doing is shifting your trust from the network provider to the VPN provider. You're not even really hiding anything from websites thanks to modern browser fingerprint techniques, they just see "user #64742258 but from a known VPN endpoint instead of the usual Spectrum residential network in Maryland, 86% match"
luckily not everything, but i think about this every time i am using android keepass implementation written by god knows who 😆
Like Mullvad, or would you recommend anyone else?
What is your threat model exactly? What are you trying to protect against? Commercial VPNs have an extremely narriw spectrum of threats that they protect against, and most customers don't realize this
Mullvad is often considered the gold standard of VPNs when it comes to privacy. It's nice that they accept crypto and cash, and that they don't tie the account to anything except an account number. That's a layer of privacy that really goes above and beyond what a lot of other companies offer, beyond anything to do with the actual product
$5 a month isn’t bad, I’ll give it a shot.
i am sorry, i don't really follow market in this area, so i have no idea.
It's like an internet glory hole. It stops the people monitoring your broadband from seeing exactly where you're browsing and what you're viewing, and it stops the people who run those websites from seeing exactly who you are.
But it's entirely possible for your broadband provider to see that you're standing at a glory hole with your junk out. And the people serving you the website can also see your junk through the hole.
Fantastic comparison thank you