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The fact that you haven't informed yourself on the topic doesn't mean the information isn't there. You're lying about my information coming from self-reported data, the information I'm giving primarily comes from Albert Szymanski's "Human Rights in the Soviet Union", a book compiling data about the USSR primarily obtained from western academia. You can keep yourself uneducated though.
You're repeating the same thing 3 times to make it sound more impressive. I've already provided numerical evidence for the lowest rates in inequality and highest welfare state in the region for a continued 70 years can only be that "the dictators on top happened to be benevolent". This is not material analysis and doesn't hold up, otherwise you'd expect similar outcomes in other dictatorships such as Saudi Arabia or Iran, but you don't see that.
Wow, little nations with ten million people each which live off of the exploitation of the global south just like the rest of Europe. Such a wonderful example.
I've already provided NUMERICAL EVIDENCE that this isn't the case. Inequality rates were the lowest in history, and when the system was dismantled, inequality rose massively. You keep repeating that lie after I've literally PROVEN YOU WRONG.
No. High imprisonment rates on the eve of and during the biggest war the world has ever seen don't amount to mass slavery. Prison labor at no time represented more than 3% of total labor in the USSR, this peak being during the harshest of WW2, and already in the 1950s it was reduced to something anecdotal. You can find good NUMERICAL EVIDENCE of this in Alec Nove's "An Economic History of the USSR" and in Robert C. Allen's "Farm to Factory", both very interesting and dense books on the socialist economy of the USSR throughout its existence. Again, PROVEN WRONG BY EMPIRICAL DATA. You claim yourself a leftist and you literally are only parroting anticommunist false propaganda.
Oh wow, you're telling me that in the largest war in human history, workers had to do herculean efforts to defeat the Nazis? Nah, they should have kept to their 8h a day while being genocided. You're fucking ridiculous.
Again, dumbass take based on vibes and not numerical evidence. Before Stalin, life expectancy in the USSR was less than 30 years of age. By the time he died it was ALMOST 60 years of age. Claiming that the peasant majority and the working class didnt benefit from industrialization is the most uneducated take I've seen. People literally went from plowing the land with their hands to using tractors, you fucking class traitor.
Also, let's show your coherency. First you claim:
Sometime later you claim:
Are you fucking serious? The industrial output of the USSR grew 15% YEARLY between 1929 and 1941, year by which 30% of GDP was dedicated to military defense against Nazism. IF THERE HAD BEEN NO RAPID INDUSTRIALIZATION, THE ENTIRETY OF UKRAINE, BELARUS, POLAND, CENTRAL ASIA AND THE MAJORITY OF RUSSIA WOULD HAVE BEEN GENOCIDED BY NAZIS. You literally said it was obvious. Can you be more dishonest?
I LITERALLY PROVIDED NUMERICAL EVIDENCE THAT THIS IS FALSE. YOU ARE SIMPLY FUCKING LYING, YOU PIECE OF SHIT. LEARN TO INTERPRET A GRAPH
Again fucking uneducated take. THERE HAD BEEN NO COUNTRY TO HAVE A RAPID INDUSTRIALIZATION UNTIL THE BOLSHEVIKS DID IT. LITERALLY NOWHERE ON THE FUCKING PLANET. Give me a fucking historical example prior to the USSR of rapid industrialization. You're being an ahistorical ass.
Are you telling me that the country that didn't begin to industrialize until 1929 AND ONLY DID SO BECAUSE OF BOLSHEVISM should have just magically defeated the Nazi blitzkrieg which RAN OVER THE WORLD POWER OF FRANCE IN A MATTER OF WEEKS?! You're literally fucking delusional.
"Heavily" does a lot of work there, buddy. The USSR received less than 2000 tanks from the USA, for comparison they manufactured 20.000 T-34 tanks. However, I do appreciate the USA's role in aid to the USSR. I don't see how that's an argument against the Soviets, somehow accepting military aid against Nazis is bad?
Literal fucking fascist historical revisionism. I'll reply to this in a following comment because it's too big a lie to dismantle in one comment.
That's a lot of moronic cope and a total waste of time spam fucking both irrelevant points and dribble.
To compress things, and also seeing your ass got banned, I'll sum up my reply as so.
how the fuck was it state capitalist if it was planned economy lmao
stuff takes time, USSR was first attempt, certainly not the last, we learn from the mistakes and improve upon them but discrediting the whole revolution is not very communist. No one has achieved communism ever and no one knows how long will it take, maybe we needed revolution through more european states to establish a stable order of socalist states so trade couldve been better? no one really knows, but some revolutionaries did try, bitching on them sitting in your home acheievs nothing Literally no state deserve to exist but I dont get this selective outrage against marxist leninst states. No one in their right mind claims that these states had acheived communism, even the soviet union called itself "socialist"
Damn, immediately outing yourself as having no knowledge of a topic out of the gate.
Since you don't understand how those things aren't mutually exclusive, I'll paste the Wikipedia summary and link it.
"State capitalism is an economic system in which the state undertakes business and commercial economic activity and where the means of production are nationalized as state-owned enterprises (including the processes of capital accumulation, centralized management and wage labor). The definition can also include the state dominance of corporatized government agencies (agencies organized using business-management practices) or of public companies (such as publicly listed corporations) in which the state has controlling shares.[1] The term has been used as a pejorative by Marxists, liberals and neoliberals. However, it has also served as a programmatic label for developmentalist and neomercantilist projects in reaction to imperialism.[2]
A state-capitalist country is one where the government controls the economy and essentially acts as a single huge corporation, extracting surplus value from the workforce in order to invest it in further production.[3] This designation applies regardless of the political aims of the state, even if the state is nominally socialist.[4] Some scholars argue that the economy of the Soviet Union and of the Eastern Bloc countries modeled after it, including Maoist China, were state capitalist systems, and Eastern and Western commentators alike assert that the current economies of China and Singapore also constitute a mixture of state-capitalism with private capitalism."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism?wprov=sfla1
Too bad that isn't the critique. The critique, and accurate analysis of the Soviet Union isn't that it was too slow to achieve socialism or communism, but that it had fundamentally abandoned attempts to achieve it in favor of establishing and maintaining its state-capitalist autocracy.
The same has happened in China.
An attempt that failed and redirected to state-capitalism at damn near the inception of the USSR, if not earlier.
And all other attempts by revolution, most notably ones assisted by the USSR for imperial purposes (like China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc) also failed much for similar reasons.
Turns out the reality is, the closest societies to reach towards the main principles of communism:
Are Scandinavian countries. Are they there yet? No. But they're the closest examples in history of getting there, and socialism and communism isn't even their primary ideologies.
Yet they embody why Marx preferred democracy as the means of achieving socialism and communism.
Tankies and any self proclaimed Marxist-Leninist can never claim to have learned from history. Their entire world view is comprised of cognitive bias and straight up falsehoods.
And I'm not dismissing the entire revolutions. I'm dismissing the notion that the leadership of said revolutions, and of the subsequent Marxist-Leninists states, ever gave a shit to actually pursue any of the principles of communism during g or after the revolution.
The pigs and farmers always ended up indistinguishable.
And no self proclaimed communist nation, least of all any autocratic nation, has ever put in genuine effort I to achieving it. They abandon it because, just as with the bourgeoisie prior to the revolution, those in power consolidate their power and hold it tightly for life. They become the new bourgeoisie. Every. Single. Fucking. Time.
The only way to ensure proletariat rule, elimination of the system of capital, and proletariat ownership of the means of production, is to give those things to the proletariat. There's no need for delay.
What time the state does exist, it must exist solely as a tool for the proletariat to dictate. Not the other way around d as we've seen in the USSR, China, Vietnam, Cuba, North Korea, etc.
Economic woes themselves weren't the only nail in the coffin for the USSR, its puppets or Yugoslavia. The core issue for all those countries was authoritarianism. Glaring problems that never got solved or were made worse because autocracy doesn't fucking work, and it sure as fuck doesn't hold interest in the good of the proletariat.
Curation is absolutely essential to all successful movements. We can't navigate a minefield if we don't remove the guy who keeps trying to push the group onto the mines.
Marxist-Leninista are a cancer to the communist movement. A colossal misdirection that has only succeeded in damaging the success of communism for what will likely turn into centuries.
We cannot allow M-Ls to misdirect the greater leftist population into fighting for a lost cause that doesn't even attempt to achieve their ideals, but rather leads to the opposite in many significant ways.
We aren't the right wing. We don't just blindly accept anyone who even somewhat pretends to be on our side.
The USSR lied about that. They weren't even socialist. They were an autocratic state-capitalist society.
Socialism also requires the big 3:
The USSR had none of these, and made no attempts to achieve either of them. Their state consolidated power and kept it until it collapsed.