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Yeah... the working class kicked the Tzar out while the vanguard-boy was chilling in Switzerland though, then after being sponsored by Germany he just gave them a whole country as reward, and when that country organized itself to fight off the Germans and practice what the vanguard-boy himself had previously called "right to self-determination" they just went there and crushed that organization, famously inviting peasant leaders to meetings that were just traps to kill them... while fascism was rising, the Comintern doctrine was to oppose every anti-fascist organization that wasn't submitted to the vanguard, the KPD even supported a literal Nazi-backed referendum just to oppose social democrats, who they'd call fascists while ignoring the actual fascists. In Spain the vanguard went on to outlaw and actively fight, kill and imprison leaders of every anti-fascist organization that were actually fighting off a fascist regime that lasted until 1978... the vanguard did an amazing job destroying anti-fascist resistance in Europe while fascism was on the rise, then the vanguard that became the "socialism in one country" held a beautiful Nazi-Soviet parade in Brest-Litovsk and didn't move a finger against fascism until they were directly attacked, and then they rewrite history to pretend they were fighting against it all along.
The working class agitated by whom exactly, I wonder? Very good way to reframe a political refugee, I guess to you Snowden is "chilling in Russia"?
My fucking god, are you seriously against the Bolsheviks ending the Russian involvement in WW1?!
Knowing that WW2 happened, I don't know how you can possibly defend the Makhnovshchina either, they would have been annihilated by Nazism. The Bolsheviks did the correct thing by industrializing the region, and if you oppose this you simply don't do materialist analysis of history.
Look! This guy is defending the murder of Rosa Luxembourg! Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!
Lmfao, I'm Spanish myself so this bs doesn't fly.
Go ahead, give me a list of the known and proven victims of Soviet repression in Spain, I'll wait. I fucking wish the USSR had been closer geographically to us, unfortunately at such long distance it wasn't possible to provide more material aid... The rest of the world just looked and you're ok with it from what I see, as Gernika was being bombed by Nazis, France and UK looked the other way. Only the USSR sold weapons, tanks and planes to the antifascists Spanish republicans to defend themselves against Nazism.
Absolute bullshit. When Czechoslovakia was invaded by the Nazis (and the Poles), the USSR proposed a joint attack on Nazis together with France and Poland, both of which refused. Stalin offered to send a million troops to France in exchange for an anti-Nazi mutual defense agreement, which France refused.
What a fucking great job at historical revisionism, absolutely unhinged.
lol, despite the name, bolcheviks were a minority party of the Revolution, even the mencheviks had more people and influence... but sure, it was the vanguard-boy that did everything. Never skip your propaganda for breakfast.
Are you saying the nazis would have killed the anarchists and other Ukrainian communist organizations anyway, so the bolcheviks did the right thing by killing them first? (while actively protecting German interests and telling people to just accept they belonged to Germany now... someone has to pay for that secure train, right?)
If you are Spanish and don’t know the history of the CNT-FAI, the largest revolutionary organization you ever had, and how Moscow preferred to fight it instead of the fascists, that’s simply sad.
couldawouldashoulda, what Stalin actually did in the real world, instead of the speculative one, was to take the best deal. The other European countries didn't want to hand him Poland so he accepted dividing with the nazis, and didn’t move against the nazis until he was attacked... he couldawouldashoulda various theoretical things, but the material reality is a bit different. I'm sorry it doesn't sound so glorious as "The Great Patriotic War" propaganda piece.
You can write as long a comment as you want to avoid my question: how many people did the Soviet red terror murder in Republican Spain. Give me the fucking numbers, since you're the one bringing it up. Until you back your statements with data, I refuse to engage further, because otherwise you may very well be making shit up
Yes yes, you got me, the CNT-FAI was made up by me.
As I said, it's just sad that you don't know the history of socialism in your own country. Hopefully, one day you will learn socialism beyond what the party wants you to know.
Oh, so you have no actual data and the entire analysis you're making is based on western + francoist anticommunist peopaganda! "The fucking evil judeobolsheviks ruined anarchism in Spain!!!! Numbers? I don't have any, why do you ask?" You could have started there buddy
I honestly have no idea what numbers you are asking for, I said that in the middle of a fight against actual fascists, the antifascists had secured Barcelona and most of Catalonia, and the Moscow-backed party was ordered to fight the antifascists instead of the fascists... it wasn't just the anarchists, there were several marxist organizations as well, they were outlawed by the Soviets and their leaders arrested or killed, and you can find it even in your party-approved documents because those are historical facts... I'm really sorry that they don't sound so cool and glorious as all the party propaganda. I'm gonna change what I said, it's not sad that you don't know the history of antifascist resistance in your on country. It's pathetic.
Everyone is collaborating with nazis and whatever, except the ones literally shaking hands, taking pictures, and doing military parades and dividing new conquered territories with the nazis. Brainwashing party propaganda is really something.
I'm sorry dude, I can't really do anything for you, it's pathetic that you never cared to look at the history of the CNT-FAI, to believe it was the Soviets arming and training militias. They only armed and trained their puppet party and used it to destabilize that antifascist resistance amidst the fight against fascists... You had a fascist regime in your country until 1978 and you spout bullshit like "they saved Europe from fascism" lol
I'm disengaging here. But I hope one day you really do read anything beyond the pathetic party propaganda. Burnett Bolloten was a journalist aligned with the PCE living in Barcelona during the Civil War; he actually supported the PCE until he saw what it was doing, but I know the party cult tells everyone that doesn't repeat everything the party cult says is a CIA agent, so it's up to you to become critical or just blindly follow the cult. Augustin Souchy and Emma Goldman were also there at the time and wrote extensively about the subject, and those weren't even CNT-FAI members but only supporters.
The fact is that everywhere a non-Bolshevik-aligned antifascist revolutionary force arose, the bolsheviks spent their resources crushing it instead of fighting the fascists.