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Does anyone have a method of deprogramming liberals who believe in the Uyghur genocide? I have a new friend who is good on Palestine but awful on Xinjiang. Very AP-brained and trusting of western propaganda. He's well-read and is open to having his ideas challenged, so looking for something well-sourced or he'd probably disregard it. I found a debunking video that came out right after the original Zenz "report" that references a 51-page leaked document released by Zenz. It goes through 6 points and shows how Zenz's own documents contradicts his claims of human rights abuses. The issue is that it's from a small creator and I can't find the referenced document, so I can't point him directly to the facts and bypass the youtube video, which would likely be seen as insufficient.

This is part 1 of the debunk:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ceb2B5oql8A

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[โ€“] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

looking for something well-sourced or he'd probably disregard it

90% chance that, to him, "well-sourced" means "reputable" western outlet/organization. You won't find any "reputable" western outlet/organization doing this debunking. You can't play their game and win, it's their game (them = western propaganda apparatus). The illusion of diversity of opinion and accessibility to transparent information in the west is just that, an illusion.

The most glaring case of this has been Palestine. All western organizations, NGOs, media and governments have claimed for 80 years that what's going on in Palestine is, at best, "a very long dispute between two cultures and religions and a very difficult topic that you shouldn't try to understand". It has taken the spread of smartphones and the smuggling of literal thousands of videos showing material evidence of the genocide outside Palestine, and its dissemination on non-US-controlled social media (TikTok at the beginning of the recent intensification of the genocide) and its spread to other social media afterwards for the majority of western people to wake up. And only after the waking up of a sizeable amount of people, have some western NGOs started to push for the recognition of the genocide.

You won't find this "reputable" source because "reputable" is already a biased term in favour of western hegemony.

[โ€“] darkcalling@hexbear.net 2 points 11 hours ago

And at that point all you can do is undermine and destroy their trust in "reputable" western "news" organizations by hammering home their lies on the genocide in Gaza, their omissions, their distortions, and so on and that may not work because the western liberal will squirm and say 'oh but that's just this one instance, this isn't a pattern' and then you have to do the hard leg-work of digging out bad takes and bullshit from other instances and years (like the Bush years) and again some amount of bad faith liberals will squirm and say they're not ready to throw them away entirely.

The person has to be willing to be Neo from the Matrix, they have to be willing to bravely question the foundations of their reality and truth. Sometimes you can easily drop some truth bombs and examples of distortion and completely rattle someone free of the chains, other times they'll resist and resist like John Nada's friend in "They Live" and you sadly lack actual truth sunglasses like exist in that movie to force onto their face.