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US farmers say Trump’s $12bn package not enough to undo damage from tariffs
(www.theguardian.com)
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Do you need a math degree to figure out that ~$35 billion in trade losses is not offset by $12 billion in subsidies?
The problem is these inbred hicks will still fucking vote R when it comes to the next election. It's a team sport to them and they can't seem to understand their own team is hurting them the most.
Edit: forgot the numbers
I agree, but using language like "inbred hicks" is counterproductive if you want their side to start seeing ours as the voice of reason. I'm no less angry, disgusted, frustrated, etc., but try not to reinforce their brainwashing regarding our side.
"We have to coddle the dumbest people in society until they choose to make the correct choice that they are responsible for making, but if we coddle them then they feel validated and never like the idiot they are, so they will never change"
Call idiots idiots, inbred hicks should take offence and grow as people, coddling Nazis makes them feel like their worldview is valid.
You must understand that people in deep red states have had structural barriers to their education purposefully placed there which make it difficult to grasp issues that require abstract critical thinking. This is not me looking down my nose, this is a fact.
This is made doubly difficult it's not about what's actually happening in their day to day that determines how they vote, Republicans have created an identity and entrenched it with their sense of self, making an attack on the ideology an attack on your their place in the world.
Does that make them right? Absolutely not, but in order to cure we must first understand.
Do we blame the regular German citizens who embraced Nazism for embracing Nazism?
I get it, but there isn't a way to educate the willfully ignorant.
You just have to let these people know they are on a path twoards killing their neighbors and you are ready to fight and kill them in defense if necessary.
I'm not saying they have a right to be like that, I'm saying you're wrong about the cause.
I never said coddle them. You just don't need to give them more reason to dig in their heels. You can tell them they're wrong in what they're supporting without the ad hominem attacks.
There isn't a way to tell a Nazi they are wrong without challenging their beleifs.
There isn't going to be a "nice way" to convert fascists into reasonable people.
If they cared about other human beings, OR cared about understanding the world around them, they wouldn't have fallen down this easily avoidable pitfall. And there isn't a good way to get the ignorant to seek information.
If you try to be their friend or just non-hostile it will always be read as validation of their beleif system. And that is unacceptable
Your assumption is they're all Nazis. Many are guilty merely by association, and are currently conflicted between deeply-ingrained loyalty programming and knowing that shit ain't quite right here. It's those fighting with their conscious that can be won over IF you don't antagonize them by being too angry to help them see the light. By being so black & white about it, you're not really being any better than you think they are.
You are describing the internal conflict Nazis have
The citizens of Nazi Germany went through the same shit but we still called them Nazis because that's what they are.
And there are those on both sides who sympathize with the other side. Absolutism & psychology often don't mix well.
Cool well if you coddle any Nazis into becoming good people let me know and we csn give you an award for the first time it ever happened.
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I see reading comprehension is a challenge for you. Try going through the thread again. Meanwhile, I'm done.