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You're making a critical error in erasing the class character of the state. Modern Germany is closer to fascism than it is to socialism if we are to take a Marxist analysis. Laws in capitalism exist with the consent of the largest capitalists, and any independent org is allowed to the extent that it upholds the status quo. What workers should organize for is the overthrowal of the capitalist state and replacing it with a socialist one.
IDK why you bring up fascism and how to put Maxist analysis in context. I doubt state overthrowals ever had been beneficial for the working class, certainly not more than for the rich.
I brought up fascism because there's absolutely no basis to saying modern Germany is "more socialist" now. It's still a dictatorship of capital.
Secondly, working class revolution and establishing socialism has been greatly beneficial for the working classes in the USSR, PRC, DPRK, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, and even partial overthrowals such as in the Bolivarian revolution and Nicaraguan revolution have been tremendously beneficial. Socialism works, and disparity within socialism, though real, neither comes close to capitalism nor is erasing disparity the goal of socialism, but creating a society focused on satisfying the needs of everyone.
Sorry, you mix up too much for me. What's a low disparity in an overall poor country worth anyway.
What did I mix up? Further, again, I agree, lowering disparity isn't the primary concern but instead directing the economy towards improving the lives of the working classes through a working class controlled and directed state and economy. Capitalist economies are directed towards profits above all else, and Germany in particular is an imperialist country that plunders the global south.