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Is horror punk a part of goth, or does it just share a visual aesthetic (piefed.world)

submitted 3 weeks ago by Eldritch@piefed.world to c/gothindustrial@lemmy.world

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I know what the really early goth bands were (the smiths, banshees, etc) and how it started primarily as post punk, but outside of that im pretty confused on what bands/genres are a part of goth. It doesn’t help that there are a lot of bands (usually alternative metal) that are liked by/associated with goth but have nothing to do with the actual subculture. (Learning about goth so far has felt like the inverse of learning about emo, where I started out knowing mostly newer bands and understood the genre more as I learned more about the early foundational bands, whereas with goth I only really know the early bands and am completely lost from there)

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[–] Sergio@piefed.social 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Kinda reminds me of a comment that @MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world made last week, about how in the late 80s "there was a space where nobody judged you" but by the 2000s turned into "a parody of itself" and is now another commodified "mainstream identity."

I suspect that there are a couple different reasons for adding a label like "goth" vs "non-goth" to a type of music:

to help organize things (like all the different kinds of music, labelling and sorting it to better understand it)
to identify yourselves as a group (i.e. you are the group that is interested in X but not Y)
to help establish your identity (which is important especially for teenagers)

It seems like each of these correspond to the eras that MyMindIsLikeAnOcean noted. So anyway, is "Horror Punk" a part of goth? then according to these approaches:

are you trying to organize things? Then look at what characteristics it has in common and what it has different, to better understand it.
are you trying to identify as a group? Then talk it over with your pals and make a decision.
are you trying to establish your identity? Then listen to a bunch of horror punk and see if you want to have it in the mix as part of your identity.

[–] MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks for the heads up…I’ll talk goth all day every day.

[–] Sergio@piefed.social 1 points 3 weeks ago

Do you happen to have any good ideas for memes? I've been posting a lot of old ones and would like to make my own, but don't know enough about "the scene" to make good ones.

Like, I found some like these but they just seem kinda mean-spirited. But I can't think of better ones...