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On lemmy.world I posted a comment on how liberals use 'tankie' as an invective to shut down dialogue and received tons of hateful replies. I tried to respond in a rational way to each. Someone's said 'get educated' I responded 'Im reading Norman Finkelstein's I'll burn that bridge when I get there' and tried to keep it civil.

They deleted every comment I made and banned me. Proving my point, they just want to shut down dialogue. Freedom of speech doesn't existing in those 'totalitarian' countries right? But in our 'enlightened' western countries we just delete you.

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[-] citsuah@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

omg i just had the misfortune of wandering into this thread, https://lemmygrad.ml/post/806853 i am so glad we have our own space where we can safely laugh at these fools. omg.

[-] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

hmm, I wonder who controls the socialist state

[-] Blake@feddit.uk 0 points 1 year ago

No one should control the state because there shouldn’t be a state. If there is a state then there’s oppression.

[-] IntoDaLagoon@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

As an ML I actually agree with you, the state is a weapon and i would like to see it one day outlive it's usefulness and wither so that communism can be achieved. However, it's a weapon that you absolutely cannot discard until capitalism has been destroyed, and until then, unilateral disarmament is guaranteed suicide for a revolutionary movement.

[-] spacedout@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

guaranteed suicide

As is blind faith in a revolutionary movement's ability to wield such a weapon in the interest of the proletariat and towards communism. Seems like a lot of people in this thread are forgetting Mao's critique of the USSR.

"The revisionist Khrushchov clique abolish the dictatorship of the proletariat behind the camouflage of the "state of the whole people", change the proletarian character of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union behind the camouflage of the "party of the entire people" and pave the way for the restoration of capitalism behind that of "full-scale communist construction". - Mao - marxists.org

But is this not equally true for China today?

[-] Valbrandur@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 year ago

It's as much analysis as you can expect from the userbase of Tumblr lite.

[-] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Tumblr lite, or tumblr alt right?

[-] Valbrandur@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 year ago

Let's be fair to them, at least they aren't reactionary. Still, unfunny "uwu" memes mixed with Lockheed Left behaviour does not paint a much more enjoyable scene.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Lockheed Left is reactionary though.

[-] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Holy shit what an insufferable group.

"Define Tankie"

Red fascist

Who defines a buzzword with a buzzword ffs.

Also! (Paraphrasing)

[...] people who justify genocides. [...]

'scuze me what the fuck? Who here says genocides are cool and good actually? We are like the first fuckers to point them out and scream about them???

And even more!

Comrade Spood

Now that's dose of Anarcho-Debilizm let me tell you. "Just press the communism button Xi and we'll succeed no problem! They will just let us exist and everyone will love each other :3"

And it just still keeps going!

Educate yourself. / Please change and grow as a person. / Read a book.

Motherfuckers I read too much compared to your sorry asses.

[-] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah it was torture. I tried to keep it civil and lighthearted and actually engage but they are so programmed it's almost knee jerk comment reaction at this point.

Also fun and great that so many Lemmy instances won't federate material that threatens their worldview. I mean, I'm 100% anti Nazi anti fascist and anti authoritarian but what does that even matter right? How dare I say there might be a different way to view say Cuba China Vietnam or North Korea...

[-] Valbrandur@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Educate yourself. / [...] / Read a book.

Their education:

[-] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I refuse to believe there's actually 1.6gb of anarchist literature in existence that's not supplemented with lots of random unpublished PDFs and saved blog posts that are rife with poor grammar and spelling errors.

[-] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

"I have" doesn't mean "I've read", what a pretentious dumbass.

[-] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

In the second part of this pic she tells the reader not having read any of it.

[-] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago
[-] Valbrandur@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 year ago

Hilarious how she doesn't even have a problem admitting it's all a matter of fitting the edgy cyberpunk aesthetic of blue hair, computers, skateboards and slapping stickers around. All about individual image and no political dedication.

And I can understand listening to theory audiobooks instead of reading them, although I think it's worse as it's harder for you to re-read lines and take notes, but... While skateboarding? Can you imagine yourself attempting to make any sense of a Das Kapital audiobook while playing basketball? Probably just to be able to say "yeah i've already read it" and nothing else. Once again, all about aesthetics.

[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 year ago

the brainworm infestation has proved devastating

[-] Valbrandur@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 year ago

And I had the misfortune of not resisting to participate in it. Do not recommend.

[-] citsuah@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago

oh dear. I told myself i wouldn't engage. (narrator: but he engaged). Just trying to gently nudge an anarchist towards materialist analysis, i'll try resist getting sucked into any arguments for my own sake.

[-] Valbrandur@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 1 year ago

Like moths flying into a bug zapper: we know it will hurt, but we just cannot help it.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Thank you for your service comrade o9

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