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A stark example of how digital footprints will be utilized in a post-Roe America

The article is from Aug 10, 2022 but remains relevant

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[-] Ginkko117@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

Honestly, it does not look like Facebook did something wrong when you read the article. A pregnant woman used a medicine to trigger a miscarriage, then she and her mother got rid of the body. Police knew that they've discussed this in Facebook messenger. They contacted Facebook and received chat messages. Then police used those messages to incriminate women according to existing law. The only problem here is that a woman could go to an abortion clinic and do it properly and legally if not for obnoxious laws in some states. But that's a completely different issue

[-] xuxebiko@kbin.social 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It is not a different issue. It is an issue of basic human rights.

A woman's right to agency over her body is an unalienable human right. The existing laws violate her human right.

Then police used those messages to incriminate women according to existing law.

"We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was "legal" and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was "illegal." It was "illegal" to aid and comfort a Jew in Hitler's Germany. Even so, I am sure that, had I lived in Germany at the time, I would have aided and comforted my Jewish brothers. If today I lived in a Communist country where certain principles dear to the Christian faith are suppressed, I would openly advocate disobeying that country's antireligious laws. " - Martin Luther King, Jr. in "Letter from Birmingham Jail" (1963)

[-] JasSmith@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

It is not a different issue. It is an issue of basic human rights.

I don’t believe it’s a basic human right to murder a late term foetus. That’s not a right enshrined in any UN convention or national constitution. That’s something you want.

[-] Killakomodo@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah but your opinion is total shit and worthless ...... so who cares what you gotta say?

awe seems I pissed off religious extremists how ever would I sleep at night after this, oh yeah just fine.

[-] Pandantic@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

I mean, I’m pro-choice and I downvoted you because you would rather troll this person and add to the negativity than state your case. I downvoted them too, for the record.

[-] Killakomodo@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why make a case to people who have no want to hear said case, have probably heard all the cases already and continue to want to control people? I am done talking to people that want to decide others lives and put them at risk, they don't care about them so why should I care about the person trying to retain control?

I am willing to explain myself to you, but you as stated do not intend to steal rights and you being pro choice already know all the reasons why I am against people taking others rights so I don't have to explain it because it is falling either on ears that know or ears that don't want to hear.

I am sick off pretending malice is ignorance.

I am just telling them to get lost as we should with all people that want to take others rights.

[-] Pandantic@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Thanks for your explanation. While I get what you’re saying, the way I see it, a counterpoint against a person who is clearly adamantly anti-choice isn’t about changing the mind of that person you are talking with but, rather, the person looking in and reading the discussion on this case about a hot-button issue. Their minds may be swayed by the tone and evidence from one side or the other. Of course, you can chose to conduct yourself online however you’d like. I just don’t think it furthers the pro-choice cause.

[-] Killakomodo@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I understand your reasoning and have practiced it before with minimal success, they do not want civil discussion nor do they care about rights or facts, they think you are a murder sympathizer and have no interest in listening to you because reasoning does not matter to them.

IMO teaching people to have and improve the cognitive skills needed to determine facts and to find accurate information is more important in fighting things like this. Which basically mean better schooling, when you can have more of an impact on teaching good behaviors and skills.

Sorry to tell you a comment on a website with all the facts in the world is unlikely to sway a lot of peoples minds on abortions rights when they could already look up all those facts and opinions. it is kinda hard to sway people set in an idea based on emotion when the facts are already out there and they don't care.

Also all of that is again assuming they are not malicious but just misguided, tbh I thing we tend to give a lot of leeway by saying "oh they are just ignorant" eventually ignorance turns to malice if you are unwilling to change it after being told multiple times.

Most do not care to change or care about what helps people with no intent to change, rather just tell them to leave us alone and move on without the trash.

[-] Kantiberl@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

You don't have to be a religious extremist to think you're being an arrogant dick.

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