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Okay so banger insight I got from here:

material conditions reign supreme as the foundation of any meaningful program or political convo. This type of analysis cuts laserlike through vast clouds of fluffy, worthless, marketplace of ideas grift style vvvvibes-based "idealistic" baloney.

However.

Vibes, also, are a thing. Often enough vibes become material conditions. People fight, work, organize, sacrifice and die for Vibes. Non material elements can rally support around a material cause.

What are good ways to think about the relationship between material conditions and.. idealism, pure "politics", lofty rhetoric, untethered wishful thinking... vibes. I'm hoping some well-read comrade will bless us with thought or maybe a reading rec

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[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It's a pretty simple issue with massively complex implications e.g. issue is that people mean different things when they say 'I love freedom', the materialists job is to interrogate (like a philosopher would) what exactly 'freedom' means in practice to each person and what the actual material consequences of those definitions are, alongside understanding how that definition of freedom came about, which was likely informed by the previous set of material consequences.

The classically trained philosopher usually stops at the interrogation of the idea itself and does not bother themselves with what the material consequences or actual application of the idea entails or creates, often categorizing and placing ideology and terminology on a shelf like a bauble, to be examined, discussed, and then placed back on the shelf.