As near as I can tell from social media, many devout MAGAts are far from rich. Old and conservative yes, but always voting against their own best interests.

[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Very much disagree.

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You are free to disagree, but how about you take a look at the data presented in the graph and tell me which group in each category is the most delusional?

You will find that it's exactly what I said.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's hardly a difference in income. <$50k is argueably more infatuated with the US than >$100k.

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Do you believe the value would go down or up if there were more income bands in the graph?

100k - 500k

500k - 5 million

And so on.

I believe it would go up, because that's the trend established by the existing three band values.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That was not the original premise of your statement and the graph doesn't say anything about that at all. Answering the new question using the data in the graph is pure conjecture.

For reference, here's what you said in your last comments:

But mostly rich, old, conservative republican men. As expected.

and

but how about you take a look at the data presented in the graph and tell me which group in each category is the most delusional?

What you are doing here is a motte-and-bailey argument. You first post your provocative, sexy statement ("rich, old, conservative" and "it's ), but when met with pushback, you switched to an easier-to-defend argument, without acknowledging that you switched your argument. The goal of this is that hopefully your discussion partners don't realize, and now they have to argue against something that's much harder to argue about.

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

What? I simply picked the highest group from every category. It's really simple. I don't know what you are talking about.

I didn't switch any arguments. Are you trying to gaslight me?

You were the one misreading my statement and trying to start an argument using non-existant data.

<$50k is argueably more infatuated with the US than >$100k.

I don't know where you pulled that info from, but it's not in the graph.

And since you started using non-existent data, I pointed out to you that simply using extrapolation, there is a trend. And that trend contradicts your opinion based on non-existent data.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I simply picked the highest group from every category.

You're comparing percentages, not actual numbers. A higher percentage of high earners said the US was on top but there are a lot more people who fall into the <$50k category than who fall into the >$100k one.

Using the Social Security numbers from 2023 (the latest available) there are 98,168,780 who earned less than $50,000 that year.

28% of those said the US is the best. That's 27, 487,258 people.

Now we need to do some math to find earners over $100,000 but it works out to 25,227,310.

29% of those said the US is the best. That's 7,315,919 people.

27.5 million people vs 7.3 million. There are 4 times as many poor people who believe the US is the best country in the world as there are top earners.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Check out the difference between the group of blue vs yellow: <$50k has 4% more people who think US is the best vs people who think that other countries are better.

$100k has 1% more people who think that the US is the best place vs the opposite.

That means, in total, the group of <$50k is more pro-US-superiority than the group of $100k.

That is data from the chart, nothing else.

pointed out to you that simply using extrapolation, there is a trend

Where is there a trend? There is no trend of the pro US side, there is a trend on the anti US side. And that trend on the anti US side is the opposite of what you are saying.

Three data points is by far too little to extrapolate anything at all.

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

So I was talking about the people who think that the USA is the best country in the world (the delusional ones). And you started talking about people who think that the USA is either better or just as good (so you included non-delusional people as well).

Great way to massage the data to make it work for you.

My first statement still stands truthful and correct:

The majority of delusional people are rich, old, conservative republican men.