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If one MP leaving is falling apart. An MP that like all is just an active member. As he like all the MP members has never been selected by Your Party.
Then every other party in the UK is also collapsing. As many many more MPs have left after being elected as Party representatives.
As I keep saying. Every party in UK history had such rows when forming. The Tories do so while in freaking government. So is labour. Heck every MP member of YP left Labour and is now independent. Reforms history is a joke. As is the greens.
Yet for some reason the media and right wing supporters love to point out the issue with one party that is less then 2 months old. As some how a sign it cannot survive,
Honestly if you think this is a sign of the party's difference to others. You failed to rationally look at the historical forming of any other party in the UK.
While also (unsurprisingly as the media also ignores it.). Failing to find out what and why YPs ideals are. As such ideals (The first ever. Entirely membership controlled org) very much lead to this being the only time 3rd parties can attack the party and try to take over. Hence why so much is being done to ensure no internal group is trying to adjust the founding documents to take control from members.
It's not what many people want though. A sense of a unified left. These sorts of rows have to happen well out of sight behind closed doors - which, to be fair was probably happening until Sultana jumped the gun and went public. People I know who were so enthused about the party seem pretty disillusioned already.
Out of site behind closed door. Is most definitely now what any supporters or now members wanted.
Again look at the facts. 800k people supported the idea of a membership run party that dose not do that shit behind closed doors. Where leadership lack the authority to make policy choices without membership approval.
members and actual party supporters may question some of ZS actions. But their editing of the founding documents since her actions. Make it very clear behind closed door is not acceptable at all.
Most support her ideals of a truly open party. They just think she herself allowed it to go on behind closed doors to long and should have told supporters before asking them to join.
Behind closed doors is the very opposite of what 800k supporters were offered when the party set up.
And yet much of the organising has been done in private by the Sultana and Feinstein factions who have held secretive competing rallies and meetings up and down the country which have definitely been done behind closed doors. But that's not what I'm talking about. The fundamentals of what the party stands for (is it socialist? left-of-centre? federalist? whatever) and how it's run must be sorted out before supporters get to participate. These sorts of lessons - as well as going too far in the centralist way - were learned the hard way with Occupy. The passion and energy of a movement is easily dissipated by politicking. Which, I fear, is what has happened. Plus my usual belief that the state is usually involved in dismantling left groups from within.