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There isnt any bad sides, not really.
It used to be hard to install but that is also not the case anymore.
People think its unstable because it has the latest packages. I mean, sometimes i have had issues, sure. A few times, bluetooth stack was bugging out in the newest kernel. Another time plasma had bugs with graphics, which I reported and it was fixed just a few weeks later.
Nothing that broke the entire system. Just small issues.
But this is much better than running Debian which has very old packages, full of old bugs. They used to be a full generation behind in plasma for example, and using a kernel that was over a year old. Those things leads to poor hardware support, getting bugs solved over a year ago and so on.
I really dont understand Debian users because ive never experienced how an updated system is worse than a very old one.
That tells me you don't understand what a "stable" release branch is. The Debian maintainers do a lot of work to ensure that the packages not only work, but work well together. They don't introduce breaking changes during the lifecycle of a major branch. They add feature updates between point releases, and continuously release security updates.
In the real world, that stability is a great value, especially in the server space. You'd be insane to use Arch as a production server, and I'm saying that as an Arch user.
Something, something, sword of Damocles.
Well yeah, I wouldnt use it as a server.
I know Debian is trying to make software work well together but they are still on ancient versions full of old bugs.
Such as?
You dont know which version Debian is using of software? You can go check if you actually want to know.
Then you can take that version and go to bugzilla or whatever bug tracking software its using, and see bugs fixed in newer versions.
I mean, they distributed the xz attack, and then rolled it back when a debian sid user signaled it. This is just not a viable way to do things, especially if the number of users increases. You need a stronger testing policy before the update hits the users, you shouldn't just assume everything can be fixed by further updates. Debian stable is a bit on the extreme side of that, but Debian testing or Fedora feel much more reasonable long term to me
Yeah I remember that. It was a very rare event though. For Linux users that want the latest versions, this will happen and there is no way to avoid it.
We take risks either way. Either by using old bugs or new bugs.
I think all apps should be much more sandboxed than they are today, but it would require a new way of writing and running apps. We have Flatpak though, its a start.
The old bugs will not send your ssh keys to an unknown network address. If they did, they would get patched or not published. These bugs are known in advance, they are not risks, they are issues. You can make a decision to use them or not, and then you're set for 5 years. Like, they are both bugs, but they work out very differently if you want to rely on your system.
The thing is that Fedora or Debian testing (and derivatives) bring the latest version fast-enough for the vast majority of people. They don't make bugs last longer like Debian stable does. When an app is bugged for two weeks, you encounter the bug one month after Arch users, then you get the fix two weeks later. The total bugged time stays the same, but the risks of something really bad happening is much lower. The downside is being one or two month late, and most people don't care about this kind of delay. (obviously when bugs are found, it can be much more than one or two months)
I know from experience its just not just a couple of months if we are talking Debian stable.
Here is what chat gpt is saying, even though the versions is already outdated:
Debian Stable lags behind Arch Linux by roughly 1β3 years on most core packages:
Breakdown by category:
Linux kernel~6β18 months behindRolling, latest~1 year
GCC / LLVM / Clang~1β2 major versions behindLatest stable1β2 years
Python / Node / Go1β3 versions behindLatest stable1β2 years
GNOME / KDE / XFCE One major release behindCurrent1β1.5 years
SystemdUsually current β 1Current6β12 months glibc / coreutilsOften within ~1 yearCurrent6β12 months
Security patchesBackported rapidlyUpstream latest0 delay on fixes
In practice:
Debian 12 (Bookworm, mid-2023) ships kernel 6.1, GCC 12, GNOME 43.
Arch (today) has kernel 6.11, GCC 14, GNOME 47.
So Debian Stable is about 2 years behind Arch overall, though security backports mean itβs not βoutdatedβ for production.
Nobody gives a single salty fuck what chatgpt says.
Haha you are wrong about that one, 100% :)
Yes, Debian stable and testing are two very different things. Testing is essentially a slower rolling release that only takes packages that have been tested in Debian unstable, which is a very fast rolling release. Similar thing with RHEL, Fedora is a quasi-rolling distro that takes packages after testing in Fedora rawhide.
Yeah. Maybe Debian testing is fine. Couple of months delay is not a huge deal, even though i really want the latest packages myself. When a new version of plasma or gnome is released, im right there waiting for it immediately... :)