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authoritarians of any side deprecate liberal values (ie, individual liberty) & treat the individual as an expendable means to (rather than the nonexpendable ends of) their illiberal agenda

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[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I don't understand why freely speaking my mind is necessarily a "democratic right", but I certainly support it. Couldn't an authoritarian leader simply not care and move ahead with his plans if he has enough support?

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Meant a right critical for democracy: public oratory & debate of policy to argue policy, change minds, & gather support. Important since the ancient Greeks.

Authoritarians don't need popular support once in power. They usually meet criticism with force.

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

First of all: thanks for the comprehensive reply. 👌

What if the autocrat wants advice on how to lead the country? I'm sure every wise king in the past looked for some sort of counsel, right? And they need some form of support, or at least the approval by big chunks of the population, else who's putting his ideas into action and who's tacitly accepting of it?

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

They could, but it's unnecessary to sustain autocratic government. Whereas an autocracy isn't accountable to governed citizens, a liberal democracy by design is.

Authority doesn't require popular support, rule of law, or the recognition of individual liberties. Ideology (such as that the autocrat is divine or has an exclusive right to rule for whatever reason) & a faithful establishment with enough power to compel obedience can displace the need for popular support. When an autocrat's interests conflict with the populace's interests or an individual's freedom, power decides who prevails. Only revolt or overthrow by a stronger power holds an autocrat accountable.

With a liberal democracy, authority is in a government that is accountable to citizens & that rules by laws limited by recognized individual liberties (ie, rule of law & limited government).

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

Having freedom of speech also gives freedom to organize, and those things are dangerous for dictators as people might be getting some ideas.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 2 weeks ago

I don't understand why freely speaking my mind is necessarily a "democratic right",

Long story short: You can't effect change without organizing, and you can't organize without talking about organizing. And, well, a system where common people can't effect change can't be called a democracy. For liberal democracy specifically, how are you going to campaign and run for office if you can't even talk about your platform?

Couldn't an authoritarian leader simply not care and move ahead with his plans if he has enough support?

I'm not sure I understand the question.