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submitted 3 weeks ago by Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works

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[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I know what it was saying: it was just weird & poorly explained.

A good analogy should compare subjects

with similarities relevant to the conclusion
lacking relevant dissimilarities that weaken the conclusion's likelihood

and it should hold up with other subjects featuring the same relevant similarities & lacking the same relevant dissimilarities in satisfying the conclusion.

That milking cows necessarily leads to suffering isn't obvious, needs to be explained. The analogy comparing milking to rape seems to break down for those aware that dairy cows are bred to overproduce milk, so they need milking (or a very hungry calf) to prevent pain & mastitis. Rape seems quite dissimilar in that respect: no amount of it is necessary to ease pain or prevent infection. It's harder to conclude that something thought to be needed qualifies as suffering.

Therefore, a clearer argument (that was provided elsewhere) is needed.

There's also the matter that the comment they were responding to wasn't arguing about morality, since it wasn't clear the top comment was stating a moral position, either. The top comment merely referred to milk as "crazy" (due to lactose intolerance) & "stealing from cows", which come across as hyperbole for unnecessary when the cows presumably don't care & lack any concept of property rights. That's where unexpected moralization with rape analogy raised the charm of lemmy as

calm, open-minded, delightfully reasonable

to new, exciting heights.

[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think that'd make more sense if we're considering the actual, underlying topic under debate but they were responding to gramie's comment which didn't challenge their assertion that the cows were hurt but just went (more or less): "counterpoint: ice cream is yum yum".

In that context, going "sex is pleasurable, too, but rape is still wrong" isn't terribly out of left field, to me.

But I get what you mean, for sure.

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

gramie’s comment which didn’t challenge their assertion that the cows were hurt but just went (more or less)

I edited my earlier comment too late: it wasn't effectively asserted either.

late edit

There's also the matter that the comment they were responding to wasn't arguing about morality, since it wasn't clear the top comment was stating a moral position, either. The top comment merely referred to milk as "crazy" (due to lactose intolerance) & "stealing from cows", which come across as hyperbole for unnecessary when the cows presumably don't care & lack any concept of property rights. That's where unexpected moralization with rape analogy raised the charm of lemmy as

calm, open-minded, delightfully reasonable

to new, exciting heights.

[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Haha; I hate when that happens.

Mmm; that's a really good point. I could definitely buy that; fair.