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Why Europe Is Winning from Americaโ€™s Decline (peertube.wtf)
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[โ€“] sucius@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mean, yes but it's really not that easy. You need a visa, lots of paperwork, etc.

[โ€“] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

If I could do it from Africa for a better life, I'm sure Americans can do it from a first world country.

It's definitely not easy leaving everything you ever knew behind to live on a different continent but The Pro's are Healthcare, Employee Rights, Stability, Safety etc. so it's so worth it for many.

[โ€“] teft@piefed.social 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Not really. Itโ€™s exceptionally difficult for an american to move abroad unless they have an in demand degree, have recent ancestry in the country, have a retirement income, or are rich. Americans canโ€™t generally claim asylum anywhere so that avenue is closed.

[โ€“] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yea I get that, the same is true where I'm from. Only a lucky few of us have the option to move if we want to, are willing to make the sacrifices and put in the effort.

[โ€“] sucius@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Sure, but for some the risk/reward part is not the same as if they were coming from a developing country. And although the QoL is better in the EU, the wages are for the most part lower. So there's tradeoffs.

[โ€“] Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

One thing living in the EU has taught me is how valuable Work Life Balance is. Where I'm from working overtime, being burnt out and not having job security is normal.

You have no idea how nice it is to have 25 days paid leave each year, full job security and basically never having to work overtime.

I would pick that over a 30% higher salary any day of the week. Work to Live, don't Live to Work.

[โ€“] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I've experienced both and yeah, agreed. Labour rights and good wellbeing >>>> a fat stack of money. Money can't buy everything. Even in a capitalist society wellbeing is also possible without money - have a community garden, and a gift network with a give-it-forward system, for example.

Sure, in a capitalist system, if you ignore other options like the above, a little bit is needed - and if you have a ton of money you could never work again, but you'll also be too stressed to enjoy it - cause the only way to get there without being born rich, is tax evasion and stressworking yourself to death. And it costs far more to support a police force than to just abolish capitalism.

[โ€“] sucius@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

I think we agree on that

[โ€“] Brainsploosh@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The highest wages are indeed lower, but disposable income is higher (due to lower CoL), higher QoL, more stability, less need for emergency fund (due to robust healthcare, unemployment support, worker's rights, less guns, etc.) and cheaper accommodation.

You can buy a good house with a yard from $20-30 k in famously expensive Sweden (although you'll need a car then as well at another $2-12 k). In the IG reel I saw it also included a couple hectares of industrial forest you can farm to offset costs.

[โ€“] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Just $20-30k? That seems implausible to me, unless it's very remote.

[โ€“] Brainsploosh@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Can't say I checked closely, saw it on an IG reel that showed a bunch of properties priced thereabouts at a couple hours drive from the large cities.

They also made it clear that you wouldn't be able to find that in any city.

I took a couple minutes to dig up the tool they used: hemnet.se so you could have a look yourself.