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@Zerush i am so long waiting for a linux phone, that can be used as daily driver (for everyone!) made in eu! signal, thunderbird, firefox, and i am happy ... the rest i can handle from firefox as webapp...
I would love to see a SailfishOS phone like Jolla's gain more widespread market/sales
Isn't sailfish proprietary?
I had to double check. It's based on Linux and Open Source Software, but the UI is proprietary.
I wonder if resurrecting Firefox OS might still be an option. It was such an interesting idea having the webapps be first citizens.
There's the KaiOS fork, but the direction is not really the same since it's more targeted to low power keypad-based phones... and I believe they replaced much of the Gonk layer with a very stripped down low level Android base which isnt fully open source... maybe if they coordinated with the LibrePhone project and some hw manufacturers (like EU-based Nokia) we'd get a fully free stack.
That was what Chromebooks did as well, isn't it?
Wasn’t that also the idea with the first iPhone and iOS1 until they realized the potential of native apps?
Did they work on developing new web standards to unlock that potential on the web?
Back then HTMLv5 wasn't even a thing, there was no concept of video/microphone/gyroscope/gps access for webapps, notifications, web workers, web sockets, offline PWA webapps, etc. It was not a viable idea unless they actually were to invest big. They weren't so committed. In Firefox OS even the dialer was a webapp, Mozilla brought forth a lot of innovative APIs to make it possible, many of which are in use today even after the OS was discontinued. And nowadays you even have things like Webassembly that allows you to code it in C or whatever low level language you want.
I feel Apple has always been more interested in their own ecosystem. Opening the web to have the same level of potential as the native apps from their walled garden goes against that strategy, so I don't believe they were really serious about that approach, it's always been more interesting for them to prioritize their native apps.