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Let me guess, this doesn't apply to criminals who have killed, assaulted, or stolen from working class people?
You still haven't answered my question, Mr. Allende: what's your theory do revolution as it regards military struggle, and where to you intend to find people with the knowledge and experience to train a revolutionary military force if not from the militar?
Actually, it's hilarious that you are making this argument less than 24 hours after defending Napoleon as a progressive when others pointed out he was a colonial imperialist who reinstated slavery.
Correct, these criminals should not be put into leadership positions of the revolution or the working class party.
Oh, I see, so if they had previously engaged in protection rackets or organizied and conducted bank robberies where regular people were killed intentionally or in the crossfire, that would be proof they shouldn't be leaders?
Napoleon gets a pass through for colonialism and reinstituting slavery in the third world, though, huh? He's a progressive in your mind since he at least smashed the feudal system in Europe?
i wouldn't vote for napoleon or put him in charge of anything lmaoo
Crimes against the state are not crimes against the proletariat
Protection rackets and innocent people dying in the crossfire of your crimes aren't crimes against the proletariat?
No you'd just call Napoleon a progressive icon lmao
i was literally paraphrasing the The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte in those comments. You got an issue with the argument, take it up with the big man
No, you were defending Napoleon as "progressive relative to his era" when he was doing the same thing you are mad at Platner for doing, only on a much grander scale, and then getting upset when people correctly said he is a fascist icon:
https://hexbear.net/comment/6603402
There have been so many critiques from third world marxists of Marx's orientalism, but hey, he could overlook Napoleon's crimes in Africa and the New World since he freed the whites from monarchism, so I guess I should too!
I think you're having a difficult time parsing what Marxists mean when they use "progressive" as in world-historically progressive, as in, develops us from Feudalism into Capitalism. You're deliberately misunderstanding Marx's point here to get a "gotcha" on me because you want to suck off the troops.
I wouldn't put ancient-brained napoleon into any leadership position in a modern leftist movement, so you're just shadowboxing here.
No, I understand what you meant perfectly well by your last comment in that thread, where you express you are upset that someone correctly called Napoleon a fascist icon. Stop trying to hide behind Marx.
Napoleon existed before fascism did. Therefore he can't be a fascist.
Nowadays the people that hold most reverence for Napoleon are not fascist, but Liberals. Napoleon was the great contradictory Illiberal Liberalizer. He's a Liberal Icon, not a fascist one. So no, it's not correct.