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Ironmouse ‘heartbroken’ after TwitchCon staff allegedly threw out gifts from VTuber fans (www.dexerto.com)

submitted 3 weeks ago by MHLoppy@fedia.io to c/vtubers@sh.itjust.works

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VTubers have been left “heartbroken” after finding that Twitch staff trashed all of the gifts that fans brought for them to TwitchCon.

TwitchCon is Twitch’s annual celebration, allowing streamers and fans to interact in person in San Diego. However, this year’s event has been full of scary moments and drama, despite Twitch promising more security and armed law enforcement amid safety concerns from streamers.

Emiru was assaulted during her meet and greet as a man grabbed her by the face and tried to kiss her. Twitch claimed that the attacker was immediately detained, but the streamer disputed that.

VTubers like Ironmouse, who typically don’t have much presence at in-real-life events, also held their own meet and greets. As ever, fans brought gifts for them to show their appreciation for the creators. However, a lot of those gifts were thrown in the trash by Twitch staff. [...]

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[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Surely this time they will all leave the Twitch platform, right? Right?

I mean, this sucks and all, but this is kinda getting to be like knowing a person who is willfully staying in an abusive relationship. So many times Twitch has horribly mistreated their content creators (well, except certain obvious "Golden Boy" creators), especially for VTubers it's even worse, and the creators just stay on the platform anyway. You know how they treat their creators, but you're still choosing to put yourself in that risk anyway?

One might say "But RightHandOfIkaros, where do they go?" I dunno... if they fall combined their money they could probably create/fund a new platform that is actually good. One that doesn't mistreat its creators and throw away their property or let them get assaulted in public. One that doesn't ban VTubers for slightly showing pixel skin but simultaneously having an entire approved category for basically softcore porn.

[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

That takes a ginormous amount of money, I think Hololive is the only company that could have enough to pull that off and they're probably not interested, at least at the moment.

...BUT I think they have enough money to fund at least a different convention, they could focus on that. No need to bring more people to the mess that is (and probably will keep being) TwitchCon.

[–] MHLoppy@fedia.io 6 points 3 weeks ago

if they fall combined their money they could probably create/fund a new platform that is actually good

The closest equivalents I know of are Nebula (which doesn't do [live] streaming, and avoids moderation problems by just having no user discussion), and Floatplane. Even though each of the two platforms is "successful", afaik creators that use them still do so only as a secondary platform on top of their primary platform (YouTube). Based on that I'm not sure displacing (as opposed to augmenting) one of the big video/video streaming platforms is even practically possible right now without vc/saudi/gambling levels of money to burn.

Even Twitch -- despite its not-exactly-amazing state -- was not profitable as of 1.5 years ago: https://dotesports.com/streaming/news/twitch-ceo-confirms-company-is-still-not-profitable-but-amazon-has-been-extremely-supportive

[–] KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago

I've been checking out DLive. I'm not really well-versed on options, but it seems to have a good balance between central over-reach, and being dominated by Nazis (Kick).

[–] ReluctantZen@feddit.nl 3 points 3 weeks ago

Honestly, while I don't necessarily like it, even moving to Youtube would be better.