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[–] phdeeznuts@mander.xyz 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

it is not as though this country has never had leaders this reckless, this callous to human suffering, or this bigoted before

Thomas Jefferson trafficked a child to France, started a relationship with the 14 year old slave of his, raped her and had 5 children, and enslaved the children.

Edit: To the 4 liberals downvoting, go on defend Thomas Jefferson's action here you cowards.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah... and I don't even think he's our worst-ever President! It's quite the shitshow, really.

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The other presidents left the system intact so their mistakes could be corrected. They left the ability for the US to have decent presidents after them.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

BS. The concentration of power to the executive has been extremely bipartisan. The road to Trump abusing power was paved by FDR and Obama.

https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/749396.h

https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1785&context=faculty_scholarship

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Who said anything about Democrats vs Republicans? Do you just have your replies locked and loaded, and you look for comments they sort of fit with?

Regardless of your obvious both-sides agenda-pushing: there were still elections after FDR. There won't be after Trump, at least not in any meaningful sense.

Even if you're imagining that all the presidents worked together to set the stage for the death of American democracy, then that makes them accessories, not murderers. Trump is the one murderering democracy.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not for lack of trying. Other presidents have absolutely defied Congress or the Supreme Court, filled the government with cronies, or otherwise completely abandoned common decency and the rule of law. If Trump is more destructive than any president before him, it will be because technology put more advanced tools of destruction at his disposal, not because he is somehow more evil or power hungry than anyone before him.

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

And if Trump had been president in 1801, how do you think he'd have treated his slaves? If he'd been president in 1830, do you think the Trail of Tears would have been any less than an overt genocide?

Come on. This isn't a real discussion if we're just going to make up hypotheticals about what different presidents would do in different contexts. But even if we do base this on such speculation, Trump is still by a wide margin the worst president in American history, because it's hard to imagine him not committing those same crimes but worse.