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Honestly, dishonorable discharge technically allows for a death sentence. If Trump orders a general to shoot American civilians and he refuses, that's treason, so can be death sentence'd. I'd want to avoid the situation too.
Now if that ACTUALLY happened, at least which ever general with balls gets unalived is going to be a martyr and hopefully a symbol for the resistance. So it takes one guy to take that bullet and the country may never be the same. So I hope someone will do that instead of quitting.
The president can't force a general to do that.
Nobody fucking knows the law anymore -_-
The law doesn't matter anymore. It's been established by the supreme court that a sitting republican president can break any law.
If it doesn't matter anymore then ignore the fascists and tell them no.
You really like this "comply in advanced out of fear" rhetoric don't you?
It's not complying if you resign. Difference is whether you're replaced after refusing to kill people or before - but you'll be replaced and the next guy will kill people regardless. If you quit before as a high profile individual, you can signal that something is off. If you don't quit, you may get martyr'd. Which I think most people don't want, especially anyone with family.
Worse, an insider reports that the generals were all monitored for signs of discomfort and disapproval during the speech. They're being watched. Anyone not loyal to Trump first and foremost, is going out. Anyone who actually disobeys orders may or may not find their family deported to South America, Africa, whereever, as terrorists. I suspect some of these generals are currently more afraid for their families than you are.
Nah this mentality of capitulating to fascists is a stupid and cowardly way to think.
Like I said, these people have families. That specific general said he's retiring "because of family matters".
The fuck kinda father is going to put his own children and (if he has them) grandchildren into danger?
The kind of patriots that founded our country. They had families too, and they took dangerous stands so their families wouldn't have to live under tyranny.
Were most of them not regular people? I'm talking about generals, people currently being surveilled for any disloyalty.
You think regular people in the rebellion weren't putting their lives and families at risk? If anything generals actually have an oath to defend the Constitution from tyranny and should be more obligated and dedicated to the cause.
They were, but there's the question of whether it's a random peasant or a member of the royal disobeying a direct order. You forget, to Trump it's personal.
The general can still fight on the correct side when it comes to civil war. He'd be a valuable asset. But now he can no longer be coerced into giving orders to murder innocent people and it's unlikely his family is deported or murdered as retaliation for him sabotaging or refusing an order.
If enough experienced people resign, the military will be left incompetent.
How. He's going to get out his little Glock and shoot at policemen?
Would you stop with the nonsense? Trump doesn't have any powers to deport Americans especially family members of the military.
Trump is deporting Americans right now though? They're talking want revoking citizenships too.
Incompetence never stopped a violent gang from implementing violence. And they'd be just as bereft of competence if the generals were standing up for what was right rather than politely stepping out of the way.
Did you not know that most American generals in the Revolutionary War including George Washington had prices on their heads for their disloyalty to the king?
GTFO with your shameful defeatist rhetoric.
Not. Trump literally has no such power to do anything like this to Americans.
I suspect you are way more afraid of Loserapist Trump than normal Americans who know their rights and can think clearly are. Trump wants you do be afraid. His power depends primarily on you being a spineless coward instead of a proud American who inherited the oldest democracy in the world. You are playing right into his hands.
Normal Americans are already being deported. Look at the list of things that make you a terrorist now. Good luck, I'm watching with pop corn because people like you aren't willing to admit the rule of law is dead.
Problem is, neither do the judges it seems. I wouldn’t be surprised if something almost as bad as this happens, and the courts side with Trump and friends.
The courts are not siding with Trump most of the time.
The rulings don't stop him.
We shouldn't let them stop us either.
Isn’t it the judges who would then issue orders of contempt, or whatever it’s called, calling for the arrest of people who don’t follow their rulings?
~Not rhetorical.~
Apparently arrests only happen to the non rich and non powerful.
Trump has done things that would land you or me in prison for the rest of our lives.
I think judges are too cowardly to arrest the president
Explain ICE's actions. Explain them now!
All of these illegal actions by ice sure as fuck are going to get investigated when the adults get back in power.
The United States history in the civil war, a recent insurrection, and other events, might have a thing or two to say about that opinion.
You don’t get what’s happening, do you?
Oh I'm well aware. But everyone on here seems like they want to just accept defeat.
Itt would be an "official act." This one can as long as the DOJ can weaponize against enemies of fascism
Watch
Wow what a good peasant you are!
Quit it. You're not some vapid influencerati on YouTube
I forgot "vapid influencerati" even use that term, I first heard it on reddit years ago when someone thought it was funny. I swear there was more funny/interesting context to the post that I don't remember anymore. It was before mass censorship of "bad words" was so prolific. People were still using "kill", "fuck", "shit" etc.
You only need to follow lawful orders. Ordering the murder of civilians is not lawful. Because the act of murdering civilians is illegal.
We're talking Trumpistan, not the United States of America tho.
Well in this made up world they can just shoot trump too right? Why are we all acting like the law is already over?
I mean, look around? Not saying people are not at risk of the law, but the rule of law is dead in the us.
And yet judges keep ruling and the administration backs down. The concentration camp in Florida, closed. I'm not saying they aren't flouting it left and right, but it is still there and people are recording what they are doing for when they get thrown out.
Uhhh yeah you might want to re-check the most up to date news on that one.
Please do share. From what I'm seeing it was closed and no detaines are there anymore. I see they want to reopen it but so far are blocked.
The closure injunction was blocked by the court of appeals, the camp is operating.
You can see footage from Oct 1st of the camp
Well that's depressing. Thanks for the update.
Yeah its an issue with how news is reported, stories "splash" down and then media tends to move on, giving people a conclusion that may or may not be real.
You still have ice out masked in force, still have camps, still have tarriffed the world, still have open bribery, and still have chilling lawsuits against media. All of which was ruled not cool by judges at some point, and either just done anyway or overruled at the supreme court.
I agree. Shit is tenuous at best. I just don't buy into all the defeatism I'm seeing around here. Bunch of people are just doing the fascist jobs for them with this shit. Use the courts even if they are shitty right now, it's another tool.
I don't think its defeatism, most of it is from people outside of the us pulling our hair out watching the usa pull the world into a dark pit while us citizens talk about "when things are normal again", "when the checks and balances kick in" and in this case "The courts will fix it".
It only goes one way, bud. Don't ever expect it to go both ways with these people.
TheSupreme Court will bow to crybaby Shitler
The general would face a court martial or whatever that process is that could lead to a death sentence, and if that process results in a death sentence for refusing to shoot American citizens then absolutely nothing matters.
Nope and nope.
Then the general should defend the constitution more directly and aggressively.
That's the the thing, they won't be "american citizens" they will be radical ANTIFA terrorists, so it will be okay to shoot them