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Forget Xbox, look at how they're treating Windows lately. Loaded with ads and bloat, forced hardware upgrades with Win11, forced MS account sign-in with no option for local accounts unless you're running one of the Enterprise/IoT SKUs....
You can operate without a local account - source, I‘m on Windows 11 and I‘ve never had a Microsoft account - but it‘s a massive PITA and takes a lot of playing around and disconnecting from the internet during install, and stuff like that.
You‘re right that 99% of people won‘t know/won‘t bother to go through the hassle and that Microsoft through the years have been making it harder and harder to have a local account, but at the moment it‘s still technically possible.
I'm on Win11 and see almost none of the issues people like you are talking about. No doubt they exist! Maybe it's because I'm on a plain vanilla ISO and I stripped the crap out early on? Same SSD I had 4 computers ago on Win10, just get moving it over. Talk like yours makes me afraid of a fresh install!
If it's as bad as people say, I'll give up and go Debian. I was largely staying Windows so I could be familiar and support my coworkers. Unemployed now. Who cares?
They've since relaxed a bit on the forced hardware upgrade part; you can install Win11 on 'unsupported' hardware now, you'll just have click a prompt saying you'll get no support and you're on your own if you attempt that, where initially it wouldn't even let you do that.
The forced MS account login is very much an issue with the consumer SKUs and the Enterprise/IoT SKUs still let you use a local account. Similarly, LTSC in particular is barren on the bloat front, while the consumer SKUs and even the non-LTSC Enterprise and IoT SKUs aren't much better in this regard, come loaded with bloat.
That is the whole point. They're squeezing the users they don't give a shit about. But personal users almost never buy Windows licenses from Microsoft I'd bet. So what if they switch away? And how are they or their kids going to play Fortnite or League after switching?
The money for Windows non-Enterprise is made with OEM deals. They probably wouldn't even notice if nobody bought personal licenses anymore. Might as well make actual money from selling data about them.
Enterprise is a different story, once you squeeze too hard, companies will find ways to replace you; they are somewhat resilient to pain, but it does have limits.
Fortnite is probably going to be played on console in that case, and League had a Mac port for a while but I don't know if it's supported anymore after the switch to Apple Silicon.
I think an Apple machine will set you back slightly more than a League capable Windows 11 machine
Like 99% of laptops and desktops sold come with a Windows Home license. Those are OEM deals but they’re also screwing those customers
Yeah, this wasn't about whether they're screwing the customers - they are - but about whether this has any negative financial implications for them