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[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Today, 80% of households are within a 10-minute walk of a train station.

That might be a challenge in most of Europe, outside of the biggest cities.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is true. And in sparsely populated areas, impossible.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's why you have the 80% figure and not 100%.

In the EU, 76% of the population live in urban regions. That's 76% where it's really easy to have people live within 10 minutes of public transport.

In cities like Vienna, that figure is already close to 100%.

And in sparsely populated areas, impossible.

Luckily, by definition, not a lot of people live in sparsely populated areas. And also luckily, the figure we are talking about is "percentage of the population", not "percentage of the land area".

[–] grue@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

In the EU, 76% of the population live in urban regions.

Fun fact: in the US, the percentage is even higher, at 80%.

Something to remember next time some troll tries to claim that EU-style public transit can't work in the US because we're too spread out.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why are you ignoring the qualifiers already provided by me and the previous commenter?

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Two qualifiers that just don't make sense in the context.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 0 points 1 month ago

?? You basically just repeated them.

Do you think I'm against more trains or something?

[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

99% of populated Switzerland is within 10 minutes walking distance of public transport. 95% within 5 minutes.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We are saying trains, not public transportation in general. Still that number is either made up or extremely misleading. Would like to be corrected with a source of course

[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

With trains the number is much lower, obviously. We don't run trains to every mountain village - but to more than you might think. But for any form of public transport, the number is accurate. I welcome you to visit our country and see for yourself.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I did multiple times. Still you're sharing an observation, a made up statistic.

[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well then you've experienced it yourself. Perhaps the following will help illustrate the point: there are 2'115 communes (towns and cities) in Switzerland, but 1'772 train stations, and 23'080 bus stops. And since you've seen how small our cities are, you know there aren't 20'000 in the capital and then nothing elsewehere.

Source: https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/fr/home/statistiques/mobilite-transports/themes-transversaux/transports-publics.html

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nothing here says 99% population with less than 10 min to public transportation. That's what you, based on your observation, made up.

You're happy with the public transportation there? Good ! That doesn't change anything regarding the original comparison of train stations in Singapore or that you're taking percentages out of your imagination.

[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The average distance to the next public transport station is 340 metres. That is road distance, not as the crow flies. The plot thickens!

Check it out: https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/fr/home/statistiques/developpement-durable/monet-2030/indicateurs/distance-prochain-arret-transports-publics.html

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Average is a terrible indicator for something attributed to 99% of population.

That's like saying that 99% of SF is rich because they have a very high average income.

Defiantly, the plot is not the only thick thing here...

[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Defiantly? You mean definitely. Ironic

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

The best argument you had so far. At least no more pretending!