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Other philosophy communities have only interpreted the world in various ways. The point, however, is to change it. [ x ]

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I’m really trying to commit myself to getting a better understanding of the philosophical underpinnings of Marxism. I’m starting with the Vietnamese textbook on dialectical materialism that Luna Oi translated, before moving on to The Dialectics of Nature and Anti-Duhring.

My problem is I really struggle with philosophy. Marxian economics I can vibe with all day, but philosophy is something I’ve never been able to really get a hold of (but wanting to fix that).

So my first big struggle is understanding the difference between dialectical materialism and materialist dialectics. Is the former more of the worldview or viewpoint, and the later is more for explaining and analyzing specific processes? And if that understanding is correct, isn’t materialist dialectics the things we should be committing ourselves to as it’s what helps us better understand material reality (rather than dialectical materialism, which I guess would be more of a “belief statement?)? I don’t know I probably have a lot of this mixed up, just looking for any help on this I can get.

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[–] logvoid@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 3 months ago

Everything I am about to tell you is wrong, so bear that in mind. Dialectics is quite old, going back as to at least Aristotle, though I should wager that there is a Dialectics and Semiology to be had in the philosophies of India. Dialetical Materialism is generally taken to mean the Marixist revision of Hegelian Dialetics which 'turns Hegel on his head' or something like that. What was once Idealism now is maybe Materialist. Geist is no longer the question, but the material reality involved in production and reproduction of our conditions of mutual being and the way those relations become reified in things that appear to us as common sense but are constructions of the very process one finds oneself locked into socially rather than being the immediate data of sense perception. Strange things have been written along the lines of Hegelianism is Cybernetics without the Math and Cybernetics is Hegelianism without God. In such a way, you could argue that the Corporate Management Sciences utilizes a strange materialist dialetics, if we say that systems theory and information theory can be considered within the scope of a strict materialist ontology. Rather than the lord and bondsman, we find the thermostat and its feedback loop...