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Do some people just regurgitate arguments blindly? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 2 days ago by King_Simp@lemmygrad.ml to c/comradeship@lemmygrad.ml

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I notice this with people talking about capitalism, obviously, but honestly what drove me to make this post is the attempted arguments against veganism. They're basically 95% unoriginal and fail under the most basic of scrutiny.

Take, for example, "not eating the meat won't bring the cow back." Under basically any logical scrutiny, this is a clear double standard to any other purchasing decision in capitalist society, and doesn't really make any sense. But I've seen in so many times over the years, so much so that im planning on becoming a vegan over a period of time. Not because of any arguments vegans make, but because somehow pro-meat eaters are losing a debate to a brick wall, and the conclusions I've made myself have convinced myself that I should be vegan. And I'm really starting to ask, do people just...like...ctrl+c ctrl+v arguments in their head?

I...try to be nice. But...how little respect to your own ability do you have if you do that? Not only to justify something you really don't have to, but something you obviously dont care about. I mean...sorry, it's just baffling to me.

In the words of Kim Kitsuragi from disco elysium, "I dont understand officer...please, help me understand"

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[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That you realise that booty is disagreeing as respectfully as possible, but that your material interests have you interpreting it as a personal attack.

[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 day ago

It was a personal attack. As was you calling me "speciesist" and saying it's necessary for me to "continue my role" in "the animal holocaust."

What I don't understand is why neither of you will take accountability for your words. If you truly believe an "animal holocaust" as you call it is going on and has been going on for decades (if not longer), I would think decorum would not exactly be your greatest concern. I'd also think that trying to shame people into boycotting on the internet would not be your greatest concern, considering how limited the power of both unorganized boycotts and personal shaming are. I am trying to put myself in what I can best imagine as your perspective and it makes no sense to me with a charitable analysis. The direction I keep leaning toward as an explanation is that it's such an emotional thing for some people, they lose perspective on it in relation to everything else, but that seems like an unfair way to see it.

I just know that I could not function as a person if I took on the whole weight of the atrocities of capitalism and imperialism, let alone one issue. I could say that China sucks because it is not doing enough on the issue of Palestine, in spite of its global power and influence. I could rail against every country and individual who is not sacrificing to bring an end to it. I don't think that will be effective though. I honestly don't know what will be effective. I am scared that people are just going to keep getting murdered and it will be too late for them as a people. I am scared for the other peoples in the region, who also face threats from the colonial project there. I think about it near every day and if I felt I needed to chastise someone about it, I would not be concerned with someone viewing it as a personal attack because I would feel it is justified to do; I would only be concerned with the rules of the forum and being disruptive to it, if that is part of the context. So I would probably own it. If that's what this feels like for you, then own your behavior and accept that it's something you feel is justified in that moment.