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It's also a fantasy to presume jobs like underwater welding cannot and will not be automated, or that it can't be compensated for by requiring fewer hours worked or other means than wage labor.
No, it isn't fantasy to think that. There's no reason to believe it can be automated.
Would you do life risking work for zero benefit?
There's every reason to believe it can be automated. Welding itself is already highly automated, and underwater welding is highly dangerous, it's natural for science to continue advancing technology in useful ways.
Additionally, nobody said no benefit. You read "moving beyond wage labor" and assume everything is purely volunteer work, which isn't what people are suggesting.
It is what everyone else has suggested who has actually understood the question (lots of people have suggested better pay).
Not quite. When people say that work becomes more enjoyable and that people wouldn't be as opposed to working without wages, that doesn't mean they don't materially benefit from harder or more dangerous labor. You're assuming wages are the only form of compensation and that any alternative is free from material benefits.