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That's literally the bedrock of civilization... It has been this way since Sumerians.
And normies still can't quite figure it out
All that history in school, nada
We done slavery for at least a long as there has been civilization. That doesn't make it good.
Correct but it makes it the reality that people keep denying
No one is denying shit. We're stating that our systems dont have to be based on coercion. It is possible to build a society off of cooperation instead. Denying that is denying that we made this shit up and it can be how we want.
Calling american wagie a slave, will get you kicked out of the party lol
Most people are denial. Fediverse is not reflective of modern American discourse.
I dont give a shit what most people think. Its a fact not an opinion. Our systems are built on coercion because we're just making slight changes to them over time. Thats why they are that way. It has nothing to do with the thoughts that talking heads plant in the average Americans' mind.
Edit: reading this after posting I would just like to clarify that I am not trying to be pointed or angry with you. It comes off that way tho. I really do mean we have the choice in how our societies operate.
I don't take online discourse personal, all good.
I don't even disagree here in theory... In practice, it is hard to explain it this way though.
We are ruled, and our opinions mean nothing and most people are unwilling to do any opposition.
So it is just few freedom enjoyer doing their lil direct action while scream into the fedi void while we are increasingly being subjugated by the owner class.
And the normie sees nothing wrong and thinks the freedom enjoyer is the weird one.
People who use the term "most people" are usually full of shit in my experience.
(Guess who the commander-in-chief is of the "most people" crowd)
If you had have a different experience with the public, please do share
Most people say sunzu2 is not intelligent. I don't say that but most people do.
So nothing?
Lol. Aren't you cold there, at the peak of mount of scholarship?
It hasn't been like this around Ramana Maharshi, just to point one name you can look into. And human life and possibility have never been about just sustaining body till it drops dead.
Oh, my little know-it-all, you say plenty of people have been living like that for plenty of time? Good catch, take a candy, good boy
An obscure example does little disprove my thesis...
Bedrock of civilization my ass, lol. Did I ever say I was looking for a dispute with you?
Your thesis?
Civilization as we know exists due to slavery and violence.
How do you know it's "due to slavery and violence" rather then "despite slavery and violence"? It seems more likely to me that civilisation is rooted in cooperation and solidarity, while slavery and violence is a cancer that grows on top of it, and hurts almost everyone involved.
List an example of a civilization that was not build by force and labour extraction from the under class.
Cooperation was achieved at a gun point. There is no solidarity even in communist regimes.
You are talking about civilizations, but it seems to me that a more appropriate word would be "empires", which in a sense is an antithesis of "civilization". Most people around the world don't have imperial aspirations, and yet they do live in civilized societies. That extends to most governments, today and historically. Perhaps peaceful societies leave less footprint. Empires need a lot of propaganda to justify their antisocial actions - things like monuments, colossal architecture, anthems, heroic poems. Naturally their spectacular violence attracts more of our attention. But I don't think imperialism was ever a norm.
That's an assertion without any merit. Especially in oppressive regimes solidarity is what keeps society together. I understand that you are writing from USA, so I don't blame you for this dark and cynical worldview. My impression from a safe distance is that breaking of basic and natural solidarity and voluntary cooperation is an intentional effort of a tiny class of imperialists in your country. They want you cynical, hopeless and alienated. Don't give up the hope!
I am using the term civilization in classic history context:
Surplus food supply, specialization and division of labour, political power structures and infrastructure, standing armies.
You are using in terms of social democracies like nordics
But even that context, social democracies are just another regime that's rooted in the state having monopoly on violence that it is used to protect property of the owner class.
They just happen to treat their in group decently. But even that's now eroding.