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[–] creamlike504@jlai.lu 148 points 1 week ago (24 children)

On the one hand, I think everyone hates that person who pulls the "I'm an empath" card.

On the other hand, "empathy isn't real" is a bad faith attack on the concept of trying to emphasize or even understand people that are different from you.

That's what I got from every Charlie Kirk debate I ever saw: a machine gun of bad faith counterarguments.

Debate is about understanding where the other person is coming from, identifying weaknesses in each other's position, and working towards shared truths.

Since he couldn't empathize, Charlie couldn't debate. So he went with the modern debate strategy: I only win when someone else is losing.

[–] krunklom@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You're describing Hegelian dialectics - not debate.

Debates are usually about proving your position, and thereby proving the other person's wrong.

[–] creamlike504@jlai.lu 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

That's how I was taught to debate.

Unless your positions are mutually exclusive, it's often possible for both parties to justify their position.

From my experience, the zero-sum I'm-right-you're-wrong style of debate started when we started televising them. You may disagree, but I think debate was more productive when we weren't incentivized to score points on each other.

If that's Hegelian dialectics, then I prefer that to what you call debate.

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

Debate is about convincing your audience, not the people you're arguing against.

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