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I dont think we are talking about the same thing here. Im not evem sure you read my comment properly.
I am glad he is gone. He was a abhorrent piece of garbage.
But i dont take pleasure in watching people die. Thats what the sentiment is here. Joy and pleasure at watching people die.
I also dont know i can agree about me having a sheltered life. I have witnessed and experienced the death of others in my life. And it is always foul. I guess not living in the US being surrounded by death and mass shootings on an weekly basis means i still find it sickening.
I just think that feeling happy someone died and feeling happy watching someone die are two different things
One is joy that someone evil has been ended, one is joy at watching blood explode from someones neck.
I hope you see my point.
Edit: i feel i need to clarify. Death is gross to me. No matter how "quick", "painless" or "deserving" it was.
So your humanity is on a sliding scale? Death is only gruesome and foul if it happens to good people? Is there a specific point where it flips from ok to not ok?
Hating someone and wishing they were dead is not the same as taking pleasure in watching them die. My comment is responding to the original post about OP taking joy in watching the video. You are straw-manning my point. Twisting it into something else.
Do you see what i am saying?
I followed this stuff very closely. I know who kirk was. I despised him outright. You are mistaking my disgust for murder for empathy. I hated him. But i dont want to watch him explode blood from his neck.
Cant you see how foul that is? You are really gonna compare it to the frankly archaic practice of death row and watching people get killed? What is this the fucking 1800s?
No sense of irony in that response.
How are you going to accuse me of not understanding other peoples feelings on a matter when you are responding in the exact way that you describe.
I am struggling to see it your way. Yes. But what makes it more difficult is you dont want to try to help me understand. You just want to attack me, attack my character and throw me aside because you dont seem to be able to deal with me having a different opinion to you.
I am trying to understand how someone can feel pleasure watching someone gush blood from the neck. Please stop calling me sheltered, its innacurate and offensive.
I completely understand finding joy in kirks death. 100% he was a monster. I dont know how many times i have to say it.
But watching someone die and knowing someone died are completely different things. The joy that is felt from each comes from very different places.
Cant we just talk about this instead of fighting about it? I'm serious. Take a step back, think about this. Charlie kirk has died and we are here arguing about it despite both hating the man.
I personally draw a line between being happy a bad person died, and sitting there watching him die in a gruesome way and enjoying the sight of it. I dont think it makes you better because you can stomach watching that. But thats what it feels like you are saying.
I hope you understand i am trying to just talk about this. Im not trying to cause more anger.
Ok, so looking past the condescension. What im hearing is you have been personally affected by this or at least by something similar, and you have personal feelings of hatred that surpass your natural humanity and allow you to be ok or even enjoy watching this person die.
What ever you want to belive about my personal situation and experiences, is of no consequence. If it looks like, from your perspective that i am taking a moral high ground, i apologise, as thats not my intention. I would argue that its possible that you might be in two minds about your own stance if you think that my stance is a "high ground" i personally dont see it that way.
I want to understand what makes someone capable of enjoying murder. I dont personally think it matters who is murdered. Watching it is disgusting to me and makes me feel sick. Even if i am happy that someone has died, i cant watch it happen because it makes me feel sick. And i dont think thats a marol standpoint. I think its just the default. I think you need to be desensitised to things like this to be able to reach a point where not only does watching it not bother you, it actually makes you happy.
Im not trying to put you down. I apologise for any time i made it seem that way.
I just want to understand.
Sorry, but you haven't explained how you are desensitised to it. You said he affected you family or you directly, but I go into detail.
But again. I am not arguing the point of being happy he died. Because again, i agree. I am talking about finding joy in watching that happen. Not joy in knowing he died, joy in watching someone die in a gruesome way.
I don't know how to be more clear in that distiction.
I don't know what it is, either i am not being clear, or you are too annoyed with me and angry with kirk for it to click.
I am glad he is dead. I felt sick watching his neck explode. And i agree with people who are happy he is dead but i wish i understood why people can enjoy watching that.