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You ever have a friend who's media tastes didn't mesh at all with their politics at all?
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I met a trans lesbian socialist who does a lot of pro-Palestine organizing recently.
She also really likes Rick and Morty.
I judge people hard if ds9 isn't their favorite star trek. But I also respect that picture box go ha ha for most people.
Too late, I already saw it and agreed with it
I can't comment without constantly seconding guessing myself
I like DS9 but TNG is pretty close and so was TOS tbh, love that campy shit. I also like Strange New Worlds
TOS and TNG have good episodes, but DS9 is a better show
DS9 is absolutely one of the best overall!
DS9 is tricky for me. I loved the "complications of rebuilding Bajor" episodes like Progress and the "reflections on war crimes" episodes like Duet. But I found the "let's go to war!" stuff in the 2nd half to be more spectacle than substance. Lots of CGI ships blowing up from a single phaser hit with no emotional stakes. Compare and contrast to TNG's battles where "ten casualties on deck 8!" has some emotional weight to it.
I think a better war story is Babylon 5 because it was always intended to be that from the start, with a single creative vision writing like 95% of the episodes. And it also has the consistent message of "shoot fascists on sight before they gain power". I also think it's a more hopeful series than DS9. It's not about the best-of-the-best from Paradiseland doing questionable things. It's about flawed and relatable people in a dangerous universe trying to overcome their own darker sides to be better and to bring real hope to others.
I appreciate that DS9 is a better-made Trek series with a far more modern sensibility free of Roddenberry's dumber ideas, but my favourite Trek remains TNG TV. A lot of it aged poorly, especially the recycled Phase Two scripts in the first two seasons, but I love that after that it's basically all high-concept stuff from start to finish. Writers had the freedom to play with ideas without worrying about adhering to a long-form arc. Even the finale is pretty high-concept. DS9 to me feels like an awkward mishmash of high-concept and long-form, serving neither style well in the end.
Babylon 5 is one of the greatest TV shows ever made. It's a shame that it started right when computer special effects were first getting off the ground, because the visuals have NOT aged well, which makes it hard to introduce it to new people. The fact that it had a single coherent story with MAJOR twists foreshadowed in the first five minutes of the first episode is incredible, though. Great writing.
Oddly enough I think that the older B5 gets, the more forgivable the aged CGI is, because it's more and more obviously "of its time".
Another thing I really enjoy about it is how it gave actors a chance to break out of typecasting, both regulars and guests. JMS gave very good actors who never really got the break they deserved in more mainstream projects the opportunity to show what they could really do.
I haven't watched Babylon 5 (yet), but I had a similar experience with the old Dune miniseries. Yeah, the costuming's kind of silly at times, and the CGI environments look like a Command & Conquer cutscene (or just the actual Dune strategy game made by the C&C devs)... and that's a good thing! I genuinely find it kind of endearing, and to me the series was quite beautiful, honestly way more than the Villeneuve movies which just... didn't really do anything for me.
It's like puppetry, most puppets are obviously not meant to be photo-realistic representations of humans (or other creatures), and any sort of movements are going to look quite stilted in comparison to a real human with muscles, but that's part of the charm. It's its own separate artstyle, with its own vibe. Realism and high fidelity are themselves artistic choices, and going for unrealism and low fidelity is a perfectly valid choice as well (although of course, in those old TV series, it wasn't quite a choice so much as the technical limitations of the time - but some of the most beautiful art comes about due to limitations)
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A shame? I love the oldschool effects hehe
I think they're charming too, but I've had a few people bounce off the show in the first episode or two because of them. The practical effects of (say) the original Star Trek aged better than very early CGI.
I grew up on Voyager and identified way too hard with Seven of Nine as an autistic kid. I can admit DS9 is better but Voyager is my favourite.
I haven't seen much Star Trek, I thought DS9 was one of the really horny ones
Idk though, the most Star Trek I've watched was like a few seasons of Voyager, which was entirely mid
DS9 isn’t un-horny, but I wouldn’t describe it as really horny either
I was into it until I realized the people in charge were actually just ferengi