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Question about the AB petition to stay in Canada (lemmy.ca)

submitted 3 weeks ago by Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca to c/alberta@lemmy.ca

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It's my understanding that a referendum petition is about the phrasing of the question that's presented to go on the referendum ballot.

The pro-Canada group "won" the right to petition for their question to go on the ballot as they submitted before the anti-Canada traitors could. Basically, stay in Canada vs leave Canada.

Am I just an idiot, or is the safest thing for AB to do is not sign regardless of who is asking? If this petition gets enough sigs all it means is that this will be the question asked on the ballot for referendum instead of the leave question right? But if it fails, there won't be a referendum at all.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me this is being proposed as a petition to stay in Canada, but it's really a petition to trigger a referendum with "stay in Canada" as the question instead of "leave Canada".

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[–] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

But both are asking to sign a petition to call for a referendum on separation, and fighting for how the question is asked right? So if either were to get enough signatures, the fundamental result is the same, there's a referendum.

Signing the stay petition is still a signature that goes toward calling a referendum, correct?

[–] Warehouse@piefed.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

https://www.alberta.ca/system/files/custom_downloaded_images/jsg-citizen-initiative-act-fact-sheet.pdf

It can, but maybe not. Unless I'm reading it wrong, a referendum vote isn't actually needed.
Though if I am reading it right, it seems like a "heads I win, tails you lose" sort of scenario.
If the "leave" petition passes, it seems like they could just state "Yep that's what Alberta wants now, no vote needed."
I doubt that a "stay" petition would get such a benefit of the doubt.

[–] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Is that how it works? I'm under the impression any petition at this point is solely to get it put on the ballot. If no one signs, it doesn't go on the ballot, and there's no separation vote on the referendum ballot.

[–] Warehouse@piefed.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

The Chief Electoral Officer would then review the signatures and determine if the petition has been successful. Successful legislative and policy initiatives would then be referred to a committee of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta for consideration. If the committee does not support a legislative initiative, a public vote would be held.

So it sounds like this passing doesn't necessarily lead to a referendum. Which, again, leads to the "heads I win tails you lose" scenario.

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