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cross-posted from: https://sopuli.xyz/post/31761131

Cliff’s notes: Team GOP prevailed, the people lost on netneutrality. The only thing you can do now is cancel your broadband.. something very few people have the will power to do.

I suppose the reason they did not take it to the supreme court is Trump managed to stack that court in favor of the right-wing nutjobs. So if the case goes there, it will do the GOP’s bidding to favor big business over the people and enter an oppressive decision that is even harder to correct in the future.

(note this story was originally on Ars Technica but that site is enshitified so I found a less enshitified source to link -- something more fedi posters should do)

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[–] freedomPusher@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It does because they need Internet to receive communication about School for their children.

Not simultaneously. The library operates all day long. Different people have different schedules.

Children’s homework is also online.

Bad idea. But not everyone has kids. Not all kids have homework. Not all homework requires the cloud. Not all homework must be done the same day it is assigned.

The time to build a larger library is measured in years. A timer means the library cannot support everyone but everyone needs the Internet.

I am living proof that all hospitals can be closed. (I haven’t needed to be in a hospital since childhood)

Your argument is ridiculous.

You sound like Trump’s lawyer, who could put together a logical argument, and so was just left with declaring “rediculous”. Can’t pound the law.. cannot pound any facts or evidence... so you are left pounding the table.

We are talking about the potential affect of net neutrality on everyone. That you personally can function without it doesn’t mean everyone can.

I am not functioning without Internet. I am using the Internet in a sacrificial way without feeding the infra. I am not streaming movies and using all the convenience frills that pushovers are addicted to.

That needs to be built. The current infrastructure cannot support everyone using the public library.

It only needs to be built if 10k people actually have the will power to boycott. And in that case the affluent users and the poor users are treated equally by the library, unlike the boot-licking action you advocate for where wealthy people can buy their way to superior access from the comfort of their homes.

It’s not will power when it is required by schools and the government.

Citation needed on the government mandate that you have Internet installed in your home. It’s will power because access from your sofa and home office is a matter of convenience.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Re: State governments require communication via Internet.

"The second-largest state in the country will have required e-filing in civil trial-court cases by 2016."

https://www.rcfp.org/journals/state-courts-continue-move/#%3A%7E%3Atext=Small+claims+lawsuits+in+Plymouth%2Cthan+half+a+million+people.

[–] freedomPusher@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Your lawyer does the filing, not you. So no problem if you boycott having Internet at home. If you need to file pro se in Texas, it’s shitty indeed that there is no analog mechanism but at least you have the library. And the court itself probably has machines you can use. Otherwise, there is a human rights issue in Texas if court access is exclusively for people who have property (i.e. PCs).

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That was a single example from a link I gave you with dozens of examples from multiple states from 10 years ago.

It also included states that require online filing for small claims and landlord tenant disputes.

Internet is cheaper than a lawyer.

[–] freedomPusher@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

That was a single example from a link I gave you with dozens of examples from multiple states from 10 years ago.

The only interesting state was Texas because the other states have offline filing, which makes them entirely irrelevant.

It also included states that require online filing for small claims and landlord tenant disputes.

You’ve misunderstood the article. Only Texas has the requirement.

Internet is cheaper than a lawyer.

This is a false dichotomy. You need not choose between the two. If you opt out of the lawyer, free public wi-fi is cheaper than Internet delivered to your home.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The library operates all day long.

And people need to receive communications before and after school hours. Many libraries aren't even open on Sunday.

But not everyone has kids.

Not everyone needs a hospital. Shut them down.

You sound like Trump’s lawyer,

That's not an argument. It is a veiled personal attack.

It is as weird insult for you to use because you have been defending this Trump ruling to deregulate large Internet corporations.

or users are treated equally by the library, unlike the boot-licking action you advocate

You have been supporting the Trump ruling to allow Internet providers to price service whatever they want. They are now allowed to interfere with traffic that had already been paid for. Trump had already executive ordered that cheap Internet to poor communities must be stopped.

There is a reason mail service is socialized.

[–] freedomPusher@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And people need to receive communications before and after school hours.

And? Are you trying to imply that library hours are a total subset of school hours, making it impossible for students to access libraries? If so, that’d be a quite dysfunctional library system you have.

Many libraries aren’t even open on Sunday.

You have a democracy. Use it. Stop making excuses and demand better.

I have access to an unstaffed library on Sunday. The library card unlocks the door.

That’s not an argument. It is a veiled personal attack.

Nonsense. “Rediculous” is not an argument. You have failed in presenting facts and logic that support your claims. Attempting to claim my ideas are “rediculous” is a baseless ad homenim. Pointing out your lack of sound logic is not.

It is as weird insult for you to use because you have been defending this Trump ruling to deregulate large Internet corporations.

It’s the other way around. You have lost track of the thesis. The boycott opposes Trump’s action and the corps interests. Your opposition to the boycott is the boot licking pro-Trump stance.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Are you trying to imply that library hours are a total subset of school hours, making it impossible for students to access libraries?

Library hours are limited. Where I live they are open 10am to 9pm. They are closed on Holidays. They are closed when the rather is bad. I checked in Grenoble which I'm slightly familiar with and librarys there are closed on Sundays.

That makes it completely impossible to receive morning schedule changes.

If so, that’d be a quite dysfunctional library system you have.

Yes. And what are you doing yo do about it? Suggest that it should be privatized and deregulated like the Internet so that it magically becomes free?

You have a democracy

But you have been arguing against regulating! I guess I should boycott libraries too until they change?

The boycott opposes Trump’s action and the corps interests.

Do you need me to go back and quote you where you repeatedly defended Trump's deregulation because high speed Internet customers would subsidize cheaper service?

"Netneutrality is not going to cause dial-up customers to lose even more performance. If anything, they might even fair better because the ISP will be able to bring in more profits which could increase the effect of subsidy from higher payers."

[–] freedomPusher@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

Library hours are limited. Where I live they are open 10am to 9pm. They are closed on Holidays. They are closed when the rather is bad. I checked in Grenoble which I’m slightly familiar with and librarys there are closed on Sundays.

What was the response when you complained? Try city council.

That makes it completely impossible to receive morning schedule changes.

No, it just means you cannot sit in a chair inside the library to get your morning schedule changes. Any wi-fi you traverse in the morning will do the job.

Yes. And what are you doing yo do about it?

I personally use hacker spaces and universities in moments when libraries fail to serve.

Suggest that it should be privatized and deregulated like the Internet so that it magically becomes free?

Libraries are already the right price for me. But if you’re getting fucked on the price, knock yourself out asking for privatization but I can’t see that improving anything. You would still be asking the same people to broaden the operating hours, but they would have to alter a contract.

But you have been arguing against regulating!

No I haven’t. You are really lost here. I never said anything of the kind. By now you should know that I advocate boycotting. Whether you boycott or not has nothing to do with the extent they are regulated.

I guess I should boycott libraries too until they change?

Not sure why you think a boycott affects a public resource. Unlike a private sector boycott, your lack of relationship does not cost the library. You would have to get nearly /everyone/ to boycott the library just to make the case that it should be shut down due to lack of use. You have a better chance of just asking for morning hours, after convincing them that the local university library is also closed in the mornings.

Do you need me to go back and quote you where you repeatedly defended Trump’s deregulation because high speed Internet customers would subsidize cheaper service?

Yes, I do.

“Netneutrality is not going to cause dial-up customers to lose even more performance. If anything, they might even fair better because the ISP will be able to bring in more profits which could increase the effect of subsidy from higher payers.”

Is that the quote you think defends deregulation? Your mother tongue is apparently not English. Nothing in that quote endorses deregulation. It simply supports the claim deregulation harms broadband users but not narrowband users. Harm to either is harm nonetheless.