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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (12 children)

This is not the reason why conservatives oppose gay marriage. Here are the reasons I can understand (though not necessarily agree with):

  • having 1x mom and 1x dad is important because men and women provide different functions when raising a child, and children deserve to get both of these things.
  • "marriage" is a religious thing, not a legal thing; maybe gay-"legally married" is fine, but religious congregations shouldn't be forced to perform gay marriages as they go against their religion.
  • the normalization of homosexuality will spread and convert more people to homosexuals/bisexuals and/or encourage people to come out of the closet. (I'm not exactly sure why this is a problem tbh.)

Are there other reasons that they have?

[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Ohhh I can feel downdoots incoming but hell.

  1. Yeah, parents being of both sexes is important. No, it doesn't have anything to do with marriage, it has to do with adoption/in-vitro or other means of reproduction.
  2. Marriage is both politcal and religious. You cannot force religion to recognize gay marriage, but you should force law to recognize gay marriage.
  3. Heard this, irrationally feared this, but truth be told fuck my discomfort and that of other people, nobody deserves to be denied who they are. -.-' But the reasoning is simply fear of unknown coupled with fear of change. I was raised in a straight society with straight values - it can be offputting, or even straight up disgusting to see them broken. To be able to come above this you need to be able to put your values above your ingrained feelings so a lot of people won't.

And I think you aced it with the reasons, conservative people couple marriage, family and having kids together so gay marriage is turbo-evil for them cause it "hurts" all three. I myself am on the fence where it comes to children, but marriage and family? Fuck off, that's people private business, they have the same right to it that anyone else.

[–] DrivebyHaiku@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Something to consider on two fronts.

  1. Parents being of both sexes is not terribly important for long term child raising. Same sex couples sometimes choose to adopt but they often have the capacity to have children themselves without assistance of a medical body and often with the help of friends or compassionate donors. There are a lot of gay folks whose names are on the birth certificates of their kids because they did the deed the old fashioned way in the interest of having a kid. They maybe just didn't enjoy the process. This doesn't present a problem legally because mechanically speaking people have kids out of wedlock or split up amicably all the time and the mechanisms for transferring parental rights are pretty much the exact same.

Also your concerns are not new. They are also not unstudied. It has been studied extensively. Science has found there is no meaningful difference between the outcomes of being raised by a same-sex couple as a mixed sex couple. They measured their rubric across a number of success variables across physical wellbeing, mental and emotional health, acedemic outcomes and so on. Basically if you are raised by adults who show affection, are responsible and committed to the wellbeing of the child it doesn't really matter what their sex is. At some point trusting a body of science is nessisary over one's gut feelings or supposition.

Here's a study with an approachable abstract to get you started.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4091994/

  1. Marriage exists in a number of cultures, its functions even in a traditional sense are not always religious in nature and not all cultures that have marriage have bans on same sex couples marrying. Religions can also be newly formed and are still valid. Banning same sex marriage is in effect favouring some religion over others. Christianity does not have a monopoly on the concept of marriage as a religious feature. When a religions (ie Christian) reason is given to enforce a marriage ban it stops other religions from being able to properly function. Gay marriage being federally allowed does not stop Christian denominations from being allowed to refuse to marry couples under the beliefs of their religious creed.
[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

  1. Thanks for ommenting this - when I first formed my view it was basically empty research wise, not counting biased "foundings" from conservative groups. Will look into it.

  2. I said we cannot force religion to accept it, not that no religion accepts it. And I stand by it. If you're in said religion you can try to influence it, but law should eff off off that. I also still stand by requiring legal marriage to not care about sexes.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

There are a lot of gay folks whose names are on the birth certificates of their kids because they did the deed the old fashioned way in the interest of having a kid. They maybe just didn't enjoy the process.

Or like Grandpa, he didn't figure out he loved men until after he got married age 18) and had a kid (age 21) or two (age 27). Then he done R U N N O F T to California and found hisself some men to marry, it's how I ended up with five grandfathers and two grandmothers.

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