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[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Can anyone explain to me why tf do promptfondlers hate GPT5 in non-crazy terms? Actually I have a whole list of questions related to this, I feel like I completely lost any connection to this discourse at this point:

  1. Is GPT5 "worse" in any sensible definition of the word? I've long complained that there is no good scientific metric to grade those on but like, it can count 'r's in "strawberry" so I thought it's supposed to be nominally better?
  2. Why doesn't OpenAI simply allow users to use the old model (4o I think?) It sounds like the simplest thing to do.
  3. Do we know if OpenAI actually changed something? Is the model different in any interesting way?
  4. Bonus question: what the fuck is wrong with OpenAI's naming scheme? 4, then 4o? And there's also o4 that's something else??
[–] FredFig@awful.systems 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
  1. The inability to objectively measure model usability outside of meme benchmarks that made it so easy to hype up models have come back to bite them now that they actually need to prove GPT-5 has the sauce.
  2. Sam got bullied by reddit into leaving up the old model for a while longer, so its not like its a big lift for them to keep them up. I guess part of it was to prove to investors that they have a sufficiently captive audience that they can push through a massive change like this, but if it gets immediately walked back like this, then I really don't know what the plan is.
  3. https://progress.openai.com/?prompt=5 Their marketing team made this comparing models responding to various prompts, afaict GPT-5 more frequently does markdown text formatting, and consumes noticeably more output tokens. Assuming these are desirable traits, this would point at how they want users to pay more. Aside: The page just proves to me that GPT was funniest in 2021 and its been worse ever since.
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