Also, again, whataboutism. You can't defend yourself, so you go on offense. Why don't you care about the people? You're a pretty poor communist if you can have comrades in oppressive places, and only defend authoritarian governments who abuse their citizens.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Am I supposed to believe your crocodile tears for the poor Russian people? LOL
The RuZZians orThe orcs as you dehumanising Russophobes call them constantly?

OK then, let's have some facts.
Despite being political enemies they understand that the coup and NATO expansion with nukes in ukraine is unacceptable.
So they pragmatically support Putin in this case. And so do I.

But I guess NATO nukes threatening the Russian people and NATO bases all around them is OK with you, not hypocritical at all.
Just as nobody in the west cared about the ethnic Russians (35%+ of ex-ukraine) getting bombed by Azov nazis.
No, just as the zionists claim history starts from oct 7, the war only started when Russia intervened.
Totally nothing had happened before.

And also you would rather continue this lost war to the last poor ukrainian too, as Lindsey Graham wants.
As long as it hurts the Russians.
Who's getting abused here?

And talking about communists:

The communist party, despite being opposition to Putin is not forbidden in Russia.
Free and democratic ukraine banned no less than 11 parties.
Put union leaders in jail, etc..

Many others followed, left and right-wing.

See, that's how you argue, with facts, you on the contrary can't defend yourself.
A cringe insinsere appeal to emotion doesn't cut it.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Am I supposed to believe your crocodile tears for the poor Russian people? LOL

No. You're supposed to care. That's the fucking point. You're strawmaning, because you're an asshole who doesn't care about the people, which is explicitly not what a communist would do.

Despite being political enemies they understand that the coup and NATO expansion with nukes in ukraine is unacceptable.

Yeah... About that. Ukraine used to have nukes (from when they were a member of the USSR, you might recall). They gave them up to Russia for promises, which weren't kept. It's unacceptable for them to have them? Why? Why can Russia? Why did they give them up?

This argument is complete bullshit. They aren't going to be given nukes, but even if this were the case, the argument that they shouldn't have them is ridiculous, when they were given to Russia and Russia uses nukes to bully them and other nations. Either it's not OK for Russia to have them either or it is OK for Ukraine to (or you have an opinion based in bias, not logic).

And also you would rather continue this lost war to the last poor ukrainian too, as Lindsey Graham wants.

No. I want Russia to return to its own territory. They should end it. It's in their power, but the elites are using the people for political gain (like always). You're class awareness is really fucking bad.

The communist party, despite being opposition to Putin is not forbidden in Russia.

Sure. There aren't fair elections they could win though. Them being not explicitly banned doesn't mean shit. They're implicitly banned.

Free and democratic ukraine banned no less than 11 parties.
Put union leaders in jail, etc..

More whataboutism. Why are you discussing Ukraine here? This is about Russia. You can't put up a legitimate communist argunent for what they're doing, so you just say "what about Ukraine!"

[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

my man, being consistent isn't what's important for members of the far-right like /u/Bloomcole , /u/npdean, and /u/bubblybubbles it's about 'winning', from these nothing internet arguments to finally living in a slave-state; everything coming from their mouth-holes or dripping from their ichor crusted fingers are just magic words meant to get there, and sucker in all the well-meaning idiots on the sidelines

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

ahaaaha far right LOL
Smartest horseshoe believer.
It's the US and our EU vasals that are far right, And never can you have a discussion with you mouthpieces.
Since the facts are not in your favor supporting ukronazis that terrorised the civilians for 8 years as a proxy for the imperialist US regime.
Then they throw some insults out of impotence while all my comments get removed by the Lemmy censors.
Our free and democratic western values!
Pathetic jokers

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

LOL I never laughed so much at a western mouthpiece.
I love the emotional 'you should care' BS.
So sad, aaah well, live and learn for being a US proxy to be used.
IDC you can all die and you deserve it while I get a cocktail, cheers losers

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wow, you aren't even pretending to be a communist now. Well, at least the mask has fallen.

I love the emotional 'you should care' BS.

To be clear though, this isn't an emotional ploy. This is what a communist would do. They care about the people being used by those in power, no matter where they are. Again, you seem to have absolutely zero class consciousness. You use the term communist to describe yourself as a badge of honor, not as an actual descriptor. You aren't a communist.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Someone from the US banana republic with its pathetic uniparty system with a fascist and slightly less fascist (already ridiculed by Marx in 1891) side has no idea what communism is.
You people just throw words around with the understanding of a geopolitics and history of a toddler.
And you would know even less about what Russian people think.
OC that doesn't stop a pretentious american from speaking for them.
You haven't read word of theory.
Some edgy 'anarchist' teen with a Che t-shirt isn't a communist.
Communists are never on the side of US imperialism.
Certainly not their fascist proxies.
They are also not 'the people'.
The Soviets dealth with them in WW2 while the US/UK saved most of them and rehabilitated their friends.
They welcomed fascist regimes in NATO from Greece, Spain, Portugal supported plenty more around the world.
That mask has long fallen for anyone who isn't politically illiterate. And now their age of bullying and power is over they desperately try to get Europe in a war again to harm their enemy.
Their usual cowarldy way of letting others do the fighting.
They will fail again and Russia (even if not communist) will deal with them again.
You can cry and pretend you're for 'the people' or non-existent 'western democratic values' all you want.
You are supporting fascism.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Cool comment. None of it matters.

They will fail again and Russia (even if not communist) will deal with them again.

Well, at least you agree with that. Damn. A bunch of "what about", strawmaning, and no true scotsman in there just for you to finally agree anyway.

I have never said I support the US by the way. You're just trying to tie me to that so you don't have to defend yourself, because you still haven't. You're not a fucking communist. You're a russophile authoritarian. Anything Russia does you approve of. It doesn't matter how much the bourgeoisie use and abuse the proletariat. It's fine as long as it's Russia.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I sure hope you're not a Scotsman.
Definitely not a 'true' one, they wouldn't lick the boot of their UK imperialist masters. Who in turn lick the boot of their US masters.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 15 hours ago

I don't know if you're playing dumb or actually dumb, but no true scotsman is a logical fallacy, where you say someone isn't a true [thing] because they don't meet ever precise definitions you make up.

Also, you do realize Scotland is part of the UK, right?

Anyway, this is all just you trying to distract from the fact that you can't defend the actions of Russia, or your starting position. You have to constantly shift things and hope people forget. You aren't a communist if you support the bourgeoisie using the proletariat for stupid self-centered goals. It doesn't matter where we're from. The proletariat everywhere is being used and abused by the elite. A communist would know this. It doesn't matter if you're in Russia or the US. They're using us for their own gain, and they don't care about us.