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I think that was just one person, who acted against the wishes of everyone else and without disclosing their plans before they were already there.
If there was any justice, that person would be expelled from the org with prejudice, but at least they probably won't be on this delegation.
Edit: I hate the DSA, but I think the rest of the delegation showed due respect to Cuba
Right but just one person can be very damaging to the potential of working together. They should be cozying up to them and asking for help, their country may have its own struggles but they have enormous resources and experience that they actively contribute to foreign groups.
https://www.jurist.org/news/2024/05/us-r
Cuba are willing to directly help foreign groups and these trips should be taken extremely seriously as potential opportunities to make contact with the right people to get that support. Delegates should act professionally and understand just how important and beneficial these connections can be.
I don't see why the DSA should care about this one way or another, at least from the standpoint of their own benefit. They aren't building an armed insurrection and most of them don't want to. They don't commit crimes that merit fleeing the country forever and don't plan to.
I also feel like you were talking past me a bit. I said this member should be expelled with no appeal or chance of return, and I guess I should have added that they need to have a better vetting process. But ultimately, a rogue member is a rogue member and even a much better group is going to get an event like this now and then. I'm sure that the other members and official channels in America were deeply apologetic to Cuba and to Diaz-Canel personally, so besides what I had already mentioned (which is important and has no chance of being done), I don't really understand what you want from them.
Edit: Incidentally, are we endorsing ELN? I've read some about guerilla factions in Colombia and it seems like there aren't communists anywhere who pass basic hurdles like not terrorizing civilians, but perhaps all their civilian targets are bourgeois (I don't think this is the case).
But was it really just one rogue member though? As I remember it, it was a faction of a number of members from the group that went to Cuba who chose to follow the lead of that one "rogue member" who held a leadership position within the organization in attending a meeting with an opposition group instead of the planned meeting with Diaz-Canel.
https://redstarcaucus.org/cuban-links/
And as for other channels since then being deeply apologetic, I would hope so, but not an insignificant number of other DSA members at the time were defending the actions of the snubbers, going so far as citing Cuba's "authoritarianism." Hell, even here on hexbear there was a long-standing regular poster got permabanned (or perhaps temp-banned but chose never to return?) for insisting these actions were either not a big deal or were the correct thing to do. This gross betrayal goes a lot further and deeper than a single rogue member.
Thank you for the corrections