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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

what I find really distressing is that it’s not just Bernie; no mainstream person or organization with national reach is giving concrete advice and/or instructions on how to depose the oligarchy

What instructions are you looking for, exactly? Like, what are the instructions that 'should' be handed out at this point?

There's no simple, easy, or quick solution to this, and since the election, things have gotten considerably worse on the 'possible solutions' front. Calls to organize and seek alternatives to oligarch-controlled resources are the groundwork which orgs constantly call for but no one fucking heeds. So what're the instructions that will provide the solution that those calls haven't?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

There's no simple, easy, or quick solution to this, and since the election, things have gotten considerably worse on the 'possible solutions' front.

Yeah of course, which is why someone needs to be out there convincing people to do the things that aren't simple, easy or quick.

Calls to organize and seek alternatives to oligarch-controlled resources are the groundwork which orgs constantly call for but no one fucking heeds.

That's why I qualified my remark with "mainstream". I'm talking Bernie-like figures who are widely known and respected by liberals. Unless I'm mistaken that segment of the population still thinks elections and phone calls to Congressmen are going to fix this.

So what're the instructions that will provide the solution that those calls haven't?

As I said above the problem is that the right people aren't providing those instructions, but also: strike, strike, strike. I'm getting past the point where I can make authoritative-sounding statements, but I find it really weird that what is arguably the strongest weapon in the working class's arsenal is barely being talked about. Yes I know groundwork is necessary for that (though I'd argue it's not nearly as much as commonly thought), but still someone needs to get the conversation from "strike? But my job/insurance/whatever!" to "how do we make it possible," and at least from my position outside America I haven't heard of anything on this front.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

That’s why I qualified my remark with “mainstream”. I’m talking Bernie-like figures who are widely known and respected by liberals.

But Bernie constantly calls for people to organize at the grassroots level, to join unions, to seek alternatives to oligarch resources?

As I said above the problem is that the right people aren’t providing those instructions, but also: strike, strike, strike. I’m getting past the point where I can make authoritative-sounding statements, but I find it really weird that what is arguably the strongest weapon in the working class’s arsenal is barely being talked about. Yes I know groundwork is necessary for that (though I’d argue it’s not nearly as much as commonly thought), but still someone needs to get the conversation from “strike? But my job/insurance/whatever!” to “how do we make it possible,” and at least from my position outside America I haven’t heard of anything on this front.

Bernie has spoken in support of strikes as a tool for pressuring not just employers but the oligarchy more broadly numerous times. If you're talking a general strike, that's a nice idea, but as you yourself note, there is a problem of needing groundwork (and support) for that. Groundwork which people seem disinterested in.