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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org to c/dankmemes@lemmy.world
 
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[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world -3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (58 children)

This conflict will never end as long as people keep listening to their imaginary friends over the reality in front of them. And each atrocity on both sides simply guarantees the fighting will last for ages longer.

oh's no's someone's invisible friend told them to downvote these heresies lol

[–] Corn@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (16 children)

That idealist nonsense is not grounded in material reality.

Religion is a post-hoc justification for imperialism. Britain didnt create Israel because of their religion, but because it was an effective way to get a colony and get rid of jews (lord Balfour was wildly antisemitic). American politicians who give Israel billions in weapons and political support dont get millions in campaign funds from Raytheon and co to get elected because of their religion, but because it benefits the military-industrial complex. The structure determines the super-structure; Ideology, culture, religion, etc are all molded to reinforce the relationship with the means of production.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

m. Britain didnt create Israel because of their religion, but because it was an effective way to get a colony and get rid of jews (lord Balfour was wildly antisemitic).

they sold it twice. once to the orthodox and once to the Palestinians. a drunken stumble from the ottoman empire we're still coping with.

and now our idiotic evangelical nutbags are fueling their vision of the end times.

imagine if everyone stopped believing there was a higher power pushing them to this bonkers state

[–] Corn@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Then the corporations that benefit from supporting israel would find different politicians to support to enacting the same ends.

Do you think that if Martin Luthor was born in China instead of Germany, there would have been no reformation? If Adam Smith was born in Ancient Egypt, they would have created capitalism and iPhones instead of pyramids?

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

this is the goofiest argument I've run into yet. without a few thousand years of assholes fighting over the same spit of wasteland you wouldn't have any of this idiotic shit.

[–] Corn@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

No, you absolutely would have; the perspectives and beliefs that are elevated in society aren't selected at random but by what reinforces existing power structures. If it didnt benefit Raytheon, apocalyptic cultists would just be more weirdos on the street, not elected congressmen. The crusades were ultimately about seizing on a weakened Ottoman Empire to conquer nearby lands and reinforce the power of the church within Europe. If they didnt have god as a justification, they would have used a different one.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

pfft... you totally disregard the impact geography has on history.

what a maroon.

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