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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org to c/dankmemes@lemmy.world
 
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[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So I checked Wikipedia, and the list of conflicts in the middle east in the years between 1300 to 1800 is far from empty. I know it's easier to blame everything on the US, but you are ignoring dozens of different conflicts that occurred during that span of years.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

So I checked Wikipedia

Show me a conflict within the borders of the Ottoman Empire that killed more people than the Napoleonic Wars.

I know it’s easier to blame everything on the US

Trying to explain to the judge that blaming Jeffrey Dahmer for all those bodies in the fridge is the easy answer and the jury needs to approach things more critically.

I mean, if it makes you feel any better, the blame falls off the US once you spin the clock back before McKinley. The societal collapse during the 17th and 18th centuries are largely a consequence of imperial policies of England, France, and Spain.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Show me a conflict within the borders of the Ottoman Empire that killed more people than the Napoleonic Wars.

Why would I do that? It would have nothing to do with anything I said.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] centipede_powder@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How is conflict defined? And are we talking total deaths or deaths per year.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How about engaging in good faith, rather than retreating into semantic nitpicking.

[–] centipede_powder@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why should I when scope and sources are not considered? At a certain point the sort of engagement you seem to be promoting is just a version of the old telephone game.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

Why should I

Yup, it's a worlder.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So I checked Wikipedia

"You may have made extensive, well reasoned argument, but I have consulted the Holy Scripture (Wikipedia) and it says you're wrong."

[–] centipede_powder@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

To be fair they at least provided a source for their information. While it is Wikipedia its slightly better than "Trust me bro!"

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not really, no. A well reasoned argument is better than just linking Wikipedia and saying "no"

[–] centipede_powder@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It may sound nice but it has zero sources for the claims.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 months ago

It may sound nice

Source?

it has zero sources for the claims.

Source?