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I wonder if the discourse here and elsewhere suffers from the perspectives used to approach the topic initially. Asking the question of "how do we get this system to work," rather than just submitting to the failed outcomes of well-known examples. Most people don't want to create a system by which one or a small group of people can prosper at the detriment of the larger community. I think understanding how these systems affect their populations on a granular level is the only way we can find/create the best system.
Why would I EVER want communism to work? Would you "sit down" and start thinking "how do we get Nazi Germany to work"? Of course you wouldn't.
Well, by "working" I mean providing a framework for all of its citizens to pursue prosperity and happiness. "Working/success" would mean that none of the atrocities were able to happen, and different leaders would have been selected.
This is a bit of an idealistic look at things, rather than a materialist outlook. Socialist countries, past and present, have been faced with real problems. Their issues weren't about "finding the right leader" or "picking the right recipe," but largely real struggles that any country tasked with needing rapid industrialization while defending against foreign invasion and subversion would need to.
Socialism isn't about deciding on the right recipe, but analyzing historical progression and its laws so as to master them and wield them in our favor. No socialist country has been an outright "failure," not even the ones that no longer exist.
Further, the person you are talking with is doing Nazi apologia via "Double Genocide Theory," they aren't a very serious person.