I feel like even before I became a socialist I realized this. Like it shouldn't be that hard (in the sense of breaking from stated liberal theory) to recognize it for the average lib... I could imagine a lib even being moderately successful in being aggressive against "conservative aggression costing us so much abroad".

Some conservatives and chuds seem more aware then the average lib about foreign meddling. Often its because they want to be isolationist/bring home fascism, but a lot of "average joes" at least say they don't see the point in constantly stepping in shit (that we left) overseas. Its really funny. Its like the conservatives yell about X thing abroad, but (some number) don't actually believe it to be a threat. But then the libs pick it up and unironically believe it. Like at this time, I'd expect more conservatives to say something like Iraq was bs that obama kept us in, then a liberal saying it was bs that bush dragged us into.

During college I got a lot of the "intellectual elite" libs saying that liberalism, free trade, etc, brings global peace and prosperity. Peace of Westphalia, magna carta, or w/e shit they pull out for "modern civilized" global-national organization.... All of it is just the weakest cover to pretend to be nice while being 20x as evil as they say Stalin was.