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My experience is that such relationships usually end badly and quickly. Also sleeping around is not curing being an "incel". It is just masking the insecurity, lack of maturity and lack of responsible behavior.
However if you meet at a bar and decide to meet for a date later, having alcohol or drugs involved in that date also is a huge red flag. That means the person doing drugs has issues with their emotional regulation. Also especially for women doing drugs with some relatively unknown men is increasing the risk of being date-raped.
If you aren't a creep, don't do creepy shit. Involving alcohol and other drugs definitely is worse for everyone involved than being sober.
Okay, you are seriously terminally online. "Let's grab a drink" is a classic first date. I can go to literally dozens of bars tonight and see tons of people out on first dates over a reasonable amount of alcohol. Like, Jesus fucking Christ you're off the deep end if you think this constitutes creepy behavior.