doomer

So first of all, when you say it's a coup what do we mean?

I mean that while all the unrest was going on, Victoria Nuland quite literally dictated which figures in Ukraine were to come to power. That doesn't invalidate the pro-democracy protests, and I don't believe that the US was manipulating everyone into showing up to get mad at their corrupt government. The thing is that the US opportunistically takes these movements and uses their soft power media outlets like Voice of America and Radio Free Europe to amplify the movement and push it in the direction they wish. This is called a color revolution.

The same thing happened in Georgia, Hong Kong, and various countries in the Arab Spring. It happened all over Eastern Europe toward the end of the Cold War.

Here's a fun one, the term "Revolution of Dignity" actually was coined by a far right Ukrainian Nationalist group!

https://www.researchgate.net/post/When-was-the-term-Revolution-of-Dignity-initially-used-in-reference-to-the-protests-in-Ukraine-in-November-2013-February2014

Next, when you say the newly installed government are "fascists" what do you mean? Which ethnic minorities were being massacred and why? When did the massacring of minorities start and when did the Crimea invasion happen in relation to it?

I mean that there were significant elements of the new administration that were Banderites. Ukrainian nationalists and right wing violence against ethnic minorities is pervasive throughout Ukraine, it's not exactly like I can point to one specific time where the massacre machine got turned on again because the way these fascist groups work is not centralized like that.

Here's an NBC article about Ukraine's Nazi problem

Ultimately though, I sort of know they'd laugh. When the two teams are neoliberals vs (the liberal definition of) imperialists whoever side you support is gonna be laughing at you because they're playing a bigger game.

We'll have to disagree on that one. Ibrahim Traore just got a medal in Moscow for being an ally against imperialism, and as complicated as my feelings toward Putin are, I would count Traore as an unequivocal ally against imperialism. I don't think Russia laughs at us socialists, I think they are just as capable of doing materialist analysis as we are and understand the fundamental reasons why we've ended up on the same "side". I recognize that the more we think about this aspect the sillier the whole thing is, seeing as the western left is not a fighting force with any weight on any stage, much less the internationalist struggle.

Edit: issuing a correction, Traore has not received a medal, lol. I don't know where I got that idea from. But he is invited to the 80th Victory Day celebration in Moscow this Friday. Putin, if you want my support, give the man a medal!