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[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social -1 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

Is this a projective preach for yourself? Or do you actually have something to deoppress in Europe that I can help with?

If you read the thread from my responses, I was replied to in ignorance and bad faith.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago (18 children)

Well, would you mind telling what I should read to understand it better? The first link you send I did read, the second has thousands of files, so I didn’t know where to start.

That is not ignorance. That' a chance to educate, and you blew it. Did you send them a link to the anarchist library or something and really expect them to read it. At that point you should have been asking what kind of question, aspects, interests them most, and give some pointers.

Anarchy just shifts the problem from “people with the most money bully the people with less” to “people with the most guns bully the people with less”

That is not bad faith, but ignorance. Presumably because you failed to give a proper and vulgar definition yourself. Vulgar as in "doesn't use misleading terms such as 'state' which has a completely different meaning in the dictionary than it does in anarchist theory so you should keep it out of first impressions and leave it to the history seminar".

Frankly speaking, if you can't advocate for anarchism without getting the term anarchy or any politics involved, you're not doing it right. Not that that's always the best approach, but it is a viable and valuable approach.

Or do you actually have something to deoppress in Europe that I can help with?

Why, are we so flawless on the continent that you're itching for any opportunity, any, to apply your vast skills of deoppression? Go outside. You don't need me to point out shit, shit should be obvious, question is how to grow flowers on it.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 2 weeks ago (17 children)

Ah, I see, I failed to actually call out European Neoliberalism for what it is, because @Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world is both ignorant and not ignorant about oppression.

Go right ahead and mentor them. I have prisons to abolish.

[–] Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Why are you tagging me in a separate thread? I have no interest in engaging with you here.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

There you go, @barsoap@lemm.ee , you have your Rhetorics answered.

I apologize, Thekingoflorda. Someone thinks people can be convinced of a new political thought over a thread, instead of years of immersion and peer review.

[–] Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As if convincing me was in any way your goal. You are clearly only here to feel morally superior and smarter then other people.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

If that was the case, why are we not working together to end European & American imperialism?

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Indeed. What's your actual motivation, here: Advocate for Anarchism, or be angry at Neoliberals? Why frame the whole thing as "against bad thing" instead of "in favour of good thing"? Is there a reasoning behind it?

Are other people the reason they can't be convinced, or at least their interest be piqued, or your combative approach? Are you willing to entertain that possibility or does your mind shy away from it, seeking not an answer to the question but justifications to ignore it?

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I don't mind you not telling me the answers to those questions. They are not intended to put you on the spot, or to be used to judge you. But I do suggest you be honest with yourself when answering them, for yourself.

Also freedom is a spook read some Stirner.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Then please ~~enslave~~spook your rhetorics anywhere else.

Unless you're helping me abolish incarceration, I see no futher use in policing my speech.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Did arguing here help you abolish incarceration, reform the Japanese legal system?

You are absolutely free and welcome to prioritise that struggle, focus on it but... then why not focus on it? Why sit here, diving head-first into controversy, when you could do work in your community?

Should you not, instead, study law and become a constitutional judge? A legal scholar, investigating reforms to the system? Instead you sit here, online, being angry at mods for not having read the whole of the anarchist library. Pissing against the wind and whistling while you do so.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yep, this is projection on your part.

Let me know when you're ready to submit your Japanese reform bills. I'm available, whenever.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm neither Japanese nor a legal scholar of any kind nor focussed on legal system / prison reform.

You said you are. Act like it. Or don't, but then don't say you are. The only thing I'm asking of you here is self-consistency. Focus on your focus. If in doubt, observe your process of focussing until you've figured out what you're actually drawn to (the latter might feel suspiciously like Zen because it is Zen, with all the BS trappings removed).

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m neither Japanese nor a legal scholar of any kind nor focussed on legal system / prison reform.

Then we have nothing further to converse.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Then I guess you should unsubscribe from this community because it's highly doubtful you'll ever find anyone to talk to here.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

wait, you're new new to lemmy.

I came to this singular meme, for a singular 異議あり!

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you have a habit of talking about yourself in third person?

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's baked in our language. So was English, until individualism was propagandized.

I'm not subscribed NCD, seeing as you could tell my communities.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

So was English, until individualism was propagandized.

Already Proto-Indo-European had first and second person pronouns, including the "I" vs. "me" distinction, try again. So do Uralic languages, which some argue forms a larger family with the Indo-European languages.

So your propaganda event would be, at the minimum, something like 7000 years in the past.

It's Japanese which is the odd one out in this regard and I'd rather say it's about a penchant for indirectness as well as hammering down nails which stick out, easier done when enforced in an impersonal manner. Not "I think you smell", standing behind your words, meaning what you say and saying what you mean, opening yourself to challenge, but a fuzzy, out-of-nowhere-and-everywhere, "there is a smell in the room". Btw what's the net result of your justice system, and what are the cultural factors that allow neglecting basic rights of the individual in favour of the collective?

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